IF Drakeford says...

[Tuerto]

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Of course, we have to make some allowances for those among us who want Wales to beat England at everything "even if it's tiddlywinks....."

I hope that you're not referring to me Not a Nationalist bone in my body, and i hate Tiddlywinks

[The Lone Gunman]

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I really can’t see how it can be wrong when the figures are so much in favour of the Welsh Government’s approach.

Sorry for replying to the same quote twice, but I've just read the whole article and I'd like you to work this one out if you can, because I most definitely can't:

Apparently, 60% of the 1,006 people polled believe the Welsh approach has been favourable to the English approach, but only 47% of the same people think the Welsh Government should decide which Covid-19 measures are introduced! Just 17% allegedly said they prefer the English approach, and yet 40% would prefer Westminster to make the decisions!

[The Lone Gunman]

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I hope that you're not referring to me

No, but you can imagine the response from some.....

"Wales see butt, innit? Anyone but the English."

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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How old are you Eric? 70’s?

43.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Why? What are their reasons?

I can only put it down to fear. I have one friend who has quite a severe type of asthma and he's reluctant to go out when rates are high.

As for the schoolfriend mentioned, we've always had a post Christmas meet up in Cardiff with his brother, who spends Christmas with them. For the last two years his brother hasn't even stayed with him for Christmas. They've agreed not to.

It might seem extreme to some. It does to me. However, I totally respect anyone who wants to play things safe. I also sympathise with those who want to get on with things. I've not had Covid, that I'm aware of in any case. I'm quite blase about it; if I get it, it'll probably be a bad cold. I'm in a situation where if I don't work, I don't earn. There are some who are much more fearful and that's fine.

I have one lady in a choir who has virtually no immune system and a list of serious conditions as long as your arm. She has been advised not to leave the house unless it is essential. She has her shopping delivered. She comes to choir every week as she says that is essential to her wellbeing. We have some sort of duty of care to minimise any risk to her and everyone else. It could be a cold. It could be the thing that kills off one member and everyone then is saddened and asks if we could have done more to prevent it. This scenario is really holding back lots of local amateur organisations.

[lisvaneblue]

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Presumably, it isn't wrong. That was how things worked out when those 1,006 people were polled. But does that mean the wider Welsh public is thinking along similar lines? Who knows? So much would depend on who was polled, when they were polled, what was in the news at that precise point in time, what the personal circumstances of those polled were, etc etc.

In my experience, the 'neither' option would win such a poll by a landslide, and that's by no means restricted to the views of my friends either.

Having seen Drakeford on TV this morning having is usual bash at the Westminster Government for ' abandoning the science' while he is keeping people safe in Wales, I wonder, if Labour were in power in Westminster, how much more aligned we in Wales would be to England's Covid rules and regulations?

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Having seen Drakeford on TV this morning having is usual bash at the Westminster Government for ' abandoning the science' while he is keeping people safe in Wales, I wonder, if Labour were in power in Westminster, how much more aligned we in Wales would be to England's Covid rules and regulations?

I see that the BMA were quite critical on England basically abandoning all restrictions, because the PM lied about having a party.

[Rjk]

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If it was a Brexit like 52/48, I’d agree, but even 60/40 is pretty conclusive and well beyond the margin of error in such polls. As I said when I posted the link, I’m surprised by the result, but I really can’t see how it can be wrong when the figures are so much in favour of the Welsh Government’s approach.

Didn't the poll also show that of people in England, as many people there thought the Welsh approach was better as the English one.

[Rjk]

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1,000 people out of a population of 3.138m is an extremely small sample , and everyone I know think Drakeford is out of control. The older generation perhaps have different views

I think for a 95% confidence level you would expect an error of around +/- 3% for a poll of around 1000 people, representing a population of 3 million, assuming there aren't major problems in the study

[The Bloop]

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I think what this has established is that, those who disagree with the results of the survey are more likely to express their opinion on the validity of the survey itself.

[Hilts]

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Having seen Drakeford on TV this morning having is usual bash at the Westminster Government for ' abandoning the science' while he is keeping people safe in Wales, I wonder, if Labour were in power in Westminster, how much more aligned we in Wales would be to England's Covid rules and regulations?

I think we would very much be aligned to them.

However I dont think Englands rules would be what they are.

[The Lone Gunman]

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I think what this has established is that, those who disagree with the results of the survey are more likely to express their opinion on the validity of the survey itself.

I think we’d need a poll of around 1,008 people to establish that.

[JamesWales]

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I think we would very much be aligned to them.

However I dont think Englands rules would be what they are.

It's quite an interesting thing to ponder. Of course, all hypothetical, but if we did have a Labour govt during the pandemic it would have been one run by Jeremy Corbyn.

It's interesting to think about how he would have handled it. I dont think it would have been radically different, but I think he would have been a bit overawed, and I think we would have stuck to the EMA vaccine roll out, and I wonder if he would have been so open to working with the private sector on procurement and involvement with the NHS etc?

In terms of restrictions, whatever else Corbyn may be, he isnt really an authoritarian. I think he has a strong liberal streak, and is more like Johnson than Drakeford in that respect. I also think he would have recognised the mental wellbeing issues caused by it all and not sought to keep us locked down for longer than necessary.

My suspicion with Drakeford is that he is using this as a bit of a political power play. That is undoubtedly the case with Sturgeon, and I think it is to a lesser extent for Drakeford. In some cases he's just keen to do some things differently so he can claim to have done so and that devolution is working etc etc.

I also sense deep inside he quite enjoys the power, whereas Johnson, reckless as he is, at least feels embarrased to take our freedoms.

[The Bloop]

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I think what this has established is that, those who disagree with the results of the survey are more likely to express their opinion on the validity of the survey itself.

I think we’d need a poll of around 1,008 people to establish that.

Years ago the opinion of just 10 cat owners was enough to influence people 🙂

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The point I tried to make in a humorous way in my reply to TOBW is the fact that the result of most surveys is almost predetermined by the way the question is asked, or indeed by the question itself. The questions asked tend to lead the person being 'surveyed' to the answer that the pollster wants to hear.
That in itself renders all polls subject to being taken with a 'pinch of salt'.