IF Drakeford says...

[TWGL1]

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Perhaps , you’re right to be fair , time will tell like everything else regarding this divisive subject.

[dml1954]

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It’s up to week 49 , so assume is increasing but again is disappointing

Week 49 of what - 2021 ? That would mean early December and it is now January 14th. How is 30m booster jabs disappointing. The vaccination figures are provided by the NHS. Just checked online and the figure you gave is for December 12th, so you are using figures that are 5 weeks out of date. You are also using the same data that I was !!
I would suggest that you read the figures for January 13th to give you a more accurate idea of what is happening. FFS.

[poc]

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Just watched Drakefords news conference. The man just can not bring himself to be optimistic in any way. He is still preaching the ‘we are probably still all going to die but in the meantime we will let you go out a bit more’ mantra that has dominated his thinking since the start.

thankfully the welsh red line was lower than the english one:hehe: see i was right all along

[Ivortheengine]

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If Nicola Sturgeon wouldn’t have lifted restrictions north of the border, Drakeford wouldn’t have either. Everyone knew that the lifting of the 6Nations restrictions was the worlds worst kept secret. He had to bow to the pressure from all directions for obvious reasons. Just like the AllBlacks game in October last year, he’ll be sitting in the hospitality section ,with all the other hangers on.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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The plastic waste and “disposable culture” is because it’s ingrained in our manufacturing etc.

I’m not saying there aren’t young people who care more than old people but it’s a bad analogy imo.

To be fair Croesy this is a subject dear to my heart and I have to say I think you're both correct. It's unhelpful to pit one against the other because the two problems have enormous environmental consequences. I think everyone needs to take personal responsibility as well as accept that for the majority of our lives we're lied to (advertising, party politics, corruption, greed etc.).

[dml1954]

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Perhaps , you’re right to be fair , time will tell like everything else regarding this divisive subject.

Be fair. You have had a nightmare on this issue. How can anyone think that giving over 36m booster jabs in the UK, in around 3 months is ‘disappointing’ is beyond me.

[TWGL1]

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Be fair. You have had a nightmare on this issue. How can anyone think that giving over 36m booster jabs in the UK, in around 3 months is ‘disappointing’ is beyond me.

You are going to get an initial surge , but I thought based on the fact that 483,361 were given in one day in week 49 (2021) then I my opinion it’s disappointing, at the end of the day it was just in reply to why perhaps they have lifted restrictions in England I didn’t realise I had to sense check.

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That's a really horrible, mean spirited post. The idea that our generation need older people to die so we can fix their mess. Really poor

It did come across as a little harsh but this is a bit rich from the guy who was calling people "spineless pricks who deserve hatred" and "vermin" a couple of posts ago

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I wonder is those backing Drakeford for these latest round of restrictions would so supportive if they were out of work for a month with no furlough scheme to support them? or if their business would be going down the tubes as a result of the restrictions? :sherlock:

I would highly doubt it.

I've never said I completely agree with all these restrictions, they're contradictory in a lot of ways and I can understand people's frustrations, especially when they're causing financial harm. But I do think saying that he's doing it because he's some kind of meglomaniac who's drunk on power is ludicrous, and I do think he's doing it because he feels it's the right thing to do to help the NHS

[Croesy Blue]

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To be fair Croesy this is a subject dear to my heart and I have to say I think you're both correct. It's unhelpful to pit one against the other because the two problems have enormous environmental consequences. I think everyone needs to take personal responsibility as well as accept that for the majority of our lives we're lied to (advertising, party politics, corruption, greed etc.).

I think most people do take personal responsibility I don’t think you can use pissed up teenagers as a festival as a point against that. Especially when everyone knows massive clean ups happen post festival.

My main problem with taking personal responsibility is it basically achieves **** all without structural change. I’m washing out my tomato tins after cooking while certain airlines are flying empty planes to keep routes open and oil companies are making more money than ever.

[Elwood Blues]

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You are singing to the choir Dorkus.

I’m only 45 im not pulling any ladder up as I’m not very far up the ladder myself. Ive benefited from having quite a low mortgage as I got on the ladder when I was early 20s and just before the boom in early 2000s but we are also victims of wages not increasing with inflation. I now earn around the average for the UK when I used to earn well above it for doing same job. My wife is a civil servant with the DWP and has barely had a pay rise in 10 years and is practically on minimum wage now so the streets are hardly paved with gold for me either.

I’ve had many sleepless nights over my children’s (17 and 13) future, employment and the wages to house prices being a main factor, so much so 3 years ago I had to go back on anti-depressants because my mental health seriously deteriorated after so many sleepless nights worrying about things so far in the future that I couldn’t control and so wasn’t able to live in the present.

I resent the fact you somehow think I have got it easy compared to your generation and don’t think we care about future generations. You couldn’t be further from the truth.

May I be so bold as to ask what grade your wife is in the Civil Service?

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I think most people do take personal responsibility I don’t think you can use pissed up teenagers as a festival as a point against that. Especially when everyone knows massive clean ups happen post festival.

My main problem with taking personal responsibility is it basically achieves **** all without structural change. I’m washing out my tomato tins after cooking while certain airlines are flying empty planes to keep routes open and oil companies are making more money than ever.

It's not a clean-up though. It's shifting the problem elsewhere. It's consumption that's the trigger (in the eco sense). Anyway, I don't want to veer off topic too much and it's a thread on its own just to scratch the surface so I'll leave it there.

[dml1954]

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You are going to get an initial surge , but I thought based on the fact that 483,361 were given in one day in week 49 (2021) then I my opinion it’s disappointing, at the end of the day it was just in reply to why perhaps they have lifted restrictions in England I didn’t realise I had to sense check.

How can you use 5 week old data to back up your point and accuse other people of using fabricated data provided by the Government when it is the same data but up to date. Since ‘week 49’’ , 11m boosters have been given in England alone or 2.2m a week. Definitely not ‘disappointing’ and one of the major success stories of the pandemic. England have also not cancelled the booster programme, as you claimed. It is still in full swing. The only thing they have done is decide to not introduce Covid passports. Why deliberately post inaccurate information on this ? You also accused doctors of fraudulently claiming money for fictitious jabs !!

[J R Hartley]

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May I be so bold as to ask what grade your wife is in the Civil Service?

Not sure of the term but she’s just a mere worker in the DWP. Not supervisor or manager. She’s on about 19k a year full time. Little more than minimum wage.

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It's been estimated that the restrictions, oops soory "protection" put in place by the Welsh government of late cost hospitality businesses an Average of £16,000.00 each, not to mention the loss of income for employees.
Interesting to see that in response to the damage caused to hospitality businesses since 26 Dec Mr Drakeford said that the harm had not been caused by the Welsh government's actions but by the dreadful curse of Covid. His government's actions were clearly in no way responsible then. I'm glad he cleared that up? I feel better about it now!

Can we assume that it is also directly responsible for the derelict state of the NHS in Wales?