Subs made a huge difference tonight

[Dave Blue]

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I was reading a few old press reports a couple of days ago and it turns out that Neil Harris had given Joel Bagan his first team debut in February 2020 a week before Morison arrived. Tom Sang came on as a sub in the same game and Sam Bowen was on the bench.

The perception that Morison guided all of the youngsters through the youth system seems quite widespread, but it’s odd. Surely most people are aware that he’s only been at the club for two years?

An article I read from back when Morison initially joined the club was interesting. In it, Neil Harris revealed that he’d already insisted the young players trained with the first team before Morison had arrived as he wanted the transition to the senior squad to be easier for them.

Morison needs to stick to commentating on City TV.

[Bobby Dandruff]

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My other comment is that much as I try I cannot see what Eli King is bringing to the team.
Maybe it's a case of easy, slowly with him, but I don't see much.

He is young and only played a few games - I'd like to see more before passing judgement, but he certainly hasn't disgraced himself so far so I'm hopeful. :thumbup:

[MacAdder]

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I'm sick of Morison don't like his management style - I would be quite happy if the club shook his hand at the end of the season.
also don't think Sol Bamba was impressed with him throwing Watters under the bus in his post match interview.

Watters was underperforming.
I think the team Morison picked was one to contain the opposition for as long as possible and try hit them on the break, with options on the bench.
When in one of the few times Watters did make a decent run, he was unlucky that the ball hit the keeper's forehead. If that goes in it might have been a different outcome for the lad but, prior to that, he was static, on his heels and missed two really good opportunities to score.

On the few occasions we did move the ball forward to him, the ball was coming straight back.
It could be argued that our midfield were underperforming also but when Hugill came on, we looked a lot more balanced.

IMHO, Morison made the right call as if Coventry had scored first then we have to chase the game and a completely different story unfolds.

There is no place for sentiment, especially when you are in a relegation battle and you are looking to earn a new contract.
Morison will be judged on one thing... results, good or bad and come the day of reckoning, how those results came about will largely be irrelevant.
Up to now, Morison is doing what was asked of him.

Regarding Watters, I wouldn't be too despondent if I were him.
It is a step up but he will get his chance again.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Morison needs to stick to commentating on City TV.

I’m pretty certain he’s going to get the job on a permanent basis. Should be entertaining as he certainly polarises opinion. One thing’s for sure - nobody rates Steve Morison quite as highly as Steve Morison does.

[delmbox]

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I’m pretty certain he’s going to get the job on a permanent basis. Should be entertaining as he certainly polarises opinion. One thing’s for sure - nobody rates Steve Morison quite as highly as Steve Morison does.

100%

I don't think that how quick he is to hammer others publicly would be so jarring if he didn't give the impression that he thinks he's infallible

[Albany]

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I got the impression that Watters was hooked because he was not following the instructions that he had been given, i.e. closing down the goalkeeper. Witness Hugill doing exactly that when he came on.

Similar to Isaac Davies' substitution a few weeks ago.

Do what your told or get taken off, seems to be the edict. Since it's the Manager's job on the line it doesn't seem that unreasonable.

Watters was underperforming.
I think the team Morison picked was one to contain the opposition for as long as possible and try hit them on the break, with options on the bench.
When in one of the few times Watters did make a decent run, he was unlucky that the ball hit the keeper's forehead. If that goes in it might have been a different outcome for the lad but, prior to that, he was static, on his heels and missed two really good opportunities to score.

On the few occasions we did move the ball forward to him, the ball was coming straight back.
It could be argued that our midfield were underperforming also but when Hugill came on, we looked a lot more balanced.

IMHO, Morison made the right call as if Coventry had scored first then we have to chase the game and a completely different story unfolds.

There is no place for sentiment, especially when you are in a relegation battle and you are looking to earn a new contract.
Morison will be judged on one thing... results, good or bad and come the day of reckoning, how those results came about will largely be irrelevant.
Up to now, Morison is doing what was asked of him.

Regarding Watters, I wouldn't be too despondent if I were him.
It is a step up but he will get his chance again.

[splott parker]

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I wonder what the view would have been had we gone behind in the first thirty minutes and ended up chasing the game against a team who could keep hold of the ball.

But we hadn’t gone a goal down, that wasn’t the situation in the slightest.

[Bobby Dandruff]

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That's CCMB for you - Curmudgeon Central Message Board

Difference of opinion is what makes this board interesting but a few posters obviously can't stand Morison that's okay but some do and that's okay

I've listened to the full press conference on City TV and don't see anything wrong with what he said - he didn't bring it up the Media did and he gave an honest answer - let's see what happens next

For me watters does need to add physicality to his game - I said recently at a home game I was surprised how strong and combative Davies is for quite a small guy but if even if he isn't going to win the ball he makes a nuisance of himself but watters doesn't compete and he doesn't press when he could and he has to for this style of play to work

Hopefully this works as like others I think there's a real goal scorer in there but he needs a wider game than just that

Quite.

I don't understand why people seem to think that it is unacceptable to post anything other than positive, happy-clappy content after a win (or any time for that matter). Context and perspective make (some of!) this board enjoyable.

It really is OK to disagree with someone's views.

I'm really happy with the recent wins and some of the football has been very encouraging, especially from the loanees and youngsters but that doesn't mean that everything is 'really great!' and the club is trouble free without further room for improvement. Morison has improved the team and results and yet may polarise public opinion based on his public utterances. That is OK too.

We seem to be on a short term upward curve which we all appreciate - let's hope that it continues and that some sort of perspective here is maintained.

[The Lone Gunman]

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100%. I don't think that how quick he is to hammer others publicly would be so jarring if he didn't give the impression that he thinks he's infallible

He keeps telling us he’s what he describes as a ‘black and white’ sort of a guy. I think that’s how it’ll be with the fan base. Some will love him because they believe he tells it how it is. Others will hate him because they think he’s a prick. Fun times ahead.

[Mr Soul '68]

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I agree. Morison made a mistake with his starting line up. He corrected that mistake - in a brutal way.

The main thing is what he now says and does with Watters (which none of us will see) to either destroy his confidence or use the situation to improve Watters as a club forward.

Davies got slaughtered a few weeks back and has since become a mainstay - which is a credit to him but also a vindication of Morison. Morison has a style which could be counter-productive, but so far his 'tough love' seems to work.

Not all footballers respond positively to "tough love". If he picks on the wrong player, it could lead to factions of a pro-Morison and anti Morison group within the dressing room. I'd tread very carefully if I was him. I noticed the way Wenger always sought to protect his players, and was never critical of them in post match interviews, not that I saw every one mind. Which to my way of thinking is a far more positive way of dealing with things i.e deal with them "in house".

[J R Hartley]

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Watters was underperforming.
I think the team Morison picked was one to contain the opposition for as long as possible and try hit them on the break, with options on the bench.
When in one of the few times Watters did make a decent run, he was unlucky that the ball hit the keeper's forehead. If that goes in it might have been a different outcome for the lad but, prior to that, he was static, on his heels and missed two really good opportunities to score.

On the few occasions we did move the ball forward to him, the ball was coming straight back.
It could be argued that our midfield were underperforming also but when Hugill came on, we looked a lot more balanced.

IMHO, Morison made the right call as if Coventry had scored first then we have to chase the game and a completely different story unfolds.

There is no place for sentiment, especially when you are in a relegation battle and you are looking to earn a new contract.
Morison will be judged on one thing... results, good or bad and come the day of reckoning, how those results came about will largely be irrelevant.
Up to now, Morison is doing what was asked of him.

Regarding Watters, I wouldn't be too despondent if I were him.
It is a step up but he will get his chance again.

Contain the opposition. We were playing Coventry at home not Fulham away ffs :hehe:

[J R Hartley]

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I'm sick of Morison don't like his management style - I would be quite happy if the club shook his hand at the end of the season.
also don't think Sol Bamba was impressed with him throwing Watters under the bus in his post match interview.

I think hes a first class prick. Typical Millwall no-one likes us, we dont care attitude.

But, hes getting results, albeit the football isnt that great Peterborough aside, so Im with TLG I think he is a shoe-in to get to the job beyond the summer.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Quite.

I don't understand why people seem to think that it is unacceptable to post anything other than positive, happy-clappy content after a win (or any time for that matter). Context and perspective make (some of!) this board enjoyable.

It really is OK to disagree with someone's views.

I'm really happy with the recent wins and some of the football has been very encouraging, especially from the loanees and youngsters but that doesn't mean that everything is 'really great!' and the club is trouble free without further room for improvement. Morison has improved the team and results and yet may polarise public opinion based on his public utterances. That is OK too.

We seem to be on a short term upward curve which we all appreciate - let's hope that it continues and that some sort of perspective here is maintained.

:thumbup:

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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He keeps telling us he’s what he describes as a ‘black and white’ sort of a guy. I think that’s how it’ll be with the fan base. Some will love him because they believe he tells it how it is. Others will hate him because they think he’s a prick. Fun times ahead.

He’s guaranteed to get it now, I think. I don’t think I’ve ever disliked a manager as much as him. Others have been worse but he’s so unlikeable. Morison is very quick to praise himself, and very quick to blame others. The “black and white” thing is funny too, because it’s never his fault.

Football isn’t good either. Nearly every goal is a break or a set piece. The football has just been so shit it looks like an improvement. Our last 4 wins we’ve had 35%, 32%, 38% and 32% possession. Total football. Not that there’s anything wrong with that but the fact he’s “totally changed the style of play” is utter bollocks. It’s still get it into the big man and play off him.

[Bobby Dandruff]

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He’s guaranteed to get it now, I think. I don’t think I’ve ever disliked a manager as much as him. Others have been worse but he’s so unlikeable. Morison is very quick to praise himself, and very quick to blame others. The “black and white” thing is funny too, because it’s never his fault.

Football isn’t good either. Nearly every goal is a break or a set piece. The football has just been so shit it looks like an improvement. Our last 4 wins we’ve had 35%, 32%, 38% and 32% possession. Total football. Not that there’s anything wrong with that but the fact he’s “totally changed the style of play” is utter bollocks. It’s still get it into the big man and play off him.

I can see why people wouldn't like Morison and he could do with learning about how to be humble, but it doesn't bother me as much as others (maybe because we are winning!) I hope that he realises that he is also learning about the job as well, and is prepared to embrace changes as his experience grows.

Whereas we are not Man City (yet!) he does deserve some credit for the change in style and improvement in results under tricky circumstances, but the bar was pretty low. He also still has a long way to go.