Colwll and Davies

[Maurice Swan]

I don't go along with all this hype about these two. Yes, they have had good moments and Colwill v Nottingham Forest was an agent's video collection item. But:

Colwill - he is big - he should be bullying his way against the opposition - he does not, is easily knocked off the ball. He has no real pace nor aerial threat....He does not tackle well....he is not aggressive enough...i He CAN see a pass but not THAT often. Needs to up his game at his age....

Davies - an exciting player at times, BUT, after a long injury, what is his confidence going to be like? Will his pace have diminished???


I hope I am wrong, but after watching City since 1958 and seeing many youngsters come through (and many fail...), I am not yet convinced they are the messiahs...

[Rjk]

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Just because Colwill is big doesn't mean that he has to base his game around that, at this stage of is career it's probably better to develop his skills as the strength and presence should come with time, whereas if his coaching had focussed on extracting the maximum out of his physical attributes he might have made a bigger impact so far but his ceiling would probably be far lower.

Davies looks a real prospect - yes he might take a while to get back to the first team after such a long layoff, but who knows, he might bounce right back, seems pointless to write him off now

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Colwill can't really be judged till he has a good run in the team

He's also struggled with injury

If he's match fit throw him in as he's old enough now

[Rjk]

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Colwill can't really be judged till he has a good run in the team

He's also struggled with injury

If he's match fit throw him in as he's old enough now

Yes injuries have been really unfortunate timing for them both, if they'd been injury free since the start of the season I tihnk they'd both be first team regulars now

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Yes injuries have been really unfortunate timing for them both, if they'd been injury free since the start of the season I tihnk they'd both be first team regulars now

If he's fit then it will be like having a new signing

[2b2bdoo]

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The hype isn’t their issue, they can only do what they can but both have potential. Davies will get his chance if he is good enough. Colwill, I’m not sure Morison or Hudson know what to do with him. He needs a team built around him but only if he is good enough. Sadly managers don’t have the time to try things out.

My prediction is when fit Davies will get time and the with Colwill, Hudson (like Morison) will keep making excuses and just chuck him wife every now and then which is pointless. Surely Colwill is a bette option than Sawyers.

[tforturton]

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There are a couple of issues with Colwill. Firstly, he's inconsistent - those flashes of brilliance don't come often enough. And the second (and more important) one is that he can't/won't tackle. In City's current midfield, we can't afford to have a guy who is just there for the occasional great pass - he needs to do everything else that midfielders do, as well.
I had great hopes for Colwill, but like the original poster, I'm tending to think that as he's getting older, he's still not making that great leap forward that we all expected. A promising youngster two years ago, and he's still that now. He needs to push on, add to his game, and start being an all-round contributor.

[the other bob wilson]

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Yeah, Colwill had his chance on Saturday and didn’t do a thing - if he was as good as some say heis, he would have won the game for us in those those five or six minutes he was on the pitch.

Other clubs play proper number tens, but not Cardiff City, we play the likes of Callum Paterson and Joe Ralls there. At least those two would score now and again, but now we have Andy Rinomhota (three goals in nearly a hundred and fifty league appearances) playing as our most advanced midfielder- is it any wonder we score so few goals?

The attitude of some supporters towards Colwill baffles me, he’s not had long enough in the team because our previous manager always found a reason to leave him out and, after initial reports to the contrary, it seems the current one thinks the same way.

[Hilts]

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Colwill needs to play. Ralls and Wintle behind him.

He needs a run of games.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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There are a couple of issues with Colwill. Firstly, he's inconsistent - those flashes of brilliance don't come often enough. And the second (and more important) one is that he can't/won't tackle. In City's current midfield, we can't afford to have a guy who is just there for the occasional great pass - he needs to do everything else that midfielders do, as well.

I remember us having a midfielder who wasn't the most keen on getting stuck in but could find a good pass and set piece. He found moments of brilliance that would win games. He was at his best when given a freer role by an earlier manager, instead of being developed into a more all-round Centre midfielder.

Think he wore no. 7 for us for a few years.

[Trigger]

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I'm unsure how good either will be as I've not seen enough of them really.

From what I have seen so far it's hard for me to get on the hype train and I think a lot of it just comes from people being starved of good quality academy players coming through.

Even if they turned out to be good solid championship players that would be a positive for our club.

A few more like that and it would serve us well and is far more attainable and realistic than say the next Ramsey. Probably far more beneficial long term also than one star who would be sold within a couple of windows to cover Tan's legal fees.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Colwill had his chance on Saturday and didn’t do a thing - if he was as good as some say he is, he would have won the game for us in those five or six minutes he was on the pitch.

Other clubs play proper number tens, but not Cardiff City, we play the likes of Callum Paterson and Joe Ralls there. At least those two would score now and again, but now we have Andy Rinomhota (three goals in nearly a hundred and fifty league appearances) playing as our most advanced midfielder- is it any wonder we score so few goals?

The attitude of some supporters towards Colwill baffles me, he’s not had long enough in the team because our previous manager always found a reason to leave him out and, after initial reports to the contrary, it seems the current one thinks the same way.

Managers don't leave players out for fun or because they dislike them as a person; they don't believe they are good enough and that if they do play them they will let them down and get them the sack.

[Rjk]

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I think a lot of this is just bad timing with injuries. Morison was bigging up both Davies and Colwill at the end of last season, saying the experience they had had during that season would be invaluable and "watch them go" this season or something like that.
then both have basically been kept out of the team by injuries, Davies with one long injury and Colwill with a series of niggling injuries.
if they're both back to full fitness soon I have every confidence that they will be earning their place in the team.

Davies was ahead of Harris or Watters at the end of last season, so if he had been fit you can only assume that he'd have got more starts than those two.

[olderblue]

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Yeah, Colwill had his chance on Saturday and didn’t do a thing - if he was as good as some say heis, he would have won the game for us in those those five or six minutes he was on the pitch.

Other clubs play proper number tens, but not Cardiff City, we play the likes of Callum Paterson and Joe Ralls there. At least those two would score now and again, but now we have Andy Rinomhota (three goals in nearly a hundred and fifty league appearances) playing as our most advanced midfielder- is it any wonder we score so few goals?

The attitude of some supporters towards Colwill baffles me, he’s not had long enough in the team because our previous manager always found a reason to leave him out and, after initial reports to the contrary, it seems the current one thinks the same way.

The voice of sanity thankfully.
Some of our fans think 11 Willie Bolands would win you the league🤷*♂️

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I think there's a phenomenon in football,which I would describe as the 'Churn Principle'.
We demand that inconsistent and poor performances should result in certain players losing their place in the team - only for us to call for them to be reinstated when results continue to be poor and after a period of time has taken the edge off the bad memories they inflicted upon us in the first place.
To this end, certain players will fluctuate between being in the team, being subsequently dropped and the cycle repeating itself.