40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

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The human cost for 2008 to 2023. Palestinian deaths 6407, Israeli deaths 308. At least 15,560 Palestinian and 6,308 Israelis were injured. Does not include the latest atrocities.

Each one a human being, a mother a father, a brother a sister. Absolutely heartbreaking for both sides.

Absolutely

There was a funeral of a young Israeli soldier from London who had gone over to Israel at 18 and was killed on Saturday

The funeral was halted because of threats of incoming missiles

What a complete waste of a young life and there will be funerals on the west bank today too

[jon1959]

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The human cost for 2008 to 2023. Palestinian deaths 6407, Israeli deaths 308. At least 15,560 Palestinian and 6,308 Israelis were injured. Does not include the latest atrocities.

Each one a human being, a mother a father, a brother a sister. Absolutely heartbreaking for both sides.

Well said.

[jon1959]

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I wish I shared your optimism

I think you are hoping for a settlement and I share that hope

But I think in 200 years they will still be at each other

Of course it's not every Arab and every Jew but its more than enough

" we are fighting animals and we have to act accordingly "

That's an Israeli government spokesman , its clear the whole of the gaza strip is seen as the enemy

As I said , I don't share your optimism

I have very little short term optimism. It is going to get worse before it gets better. But long term we all have the ability to do a little to change things for the better. Support what promotes peace and justice and oppose the opposite. There is always change and always choices.

I hope and believe that courage and political will and a new generation of activists in Israel, the occupied territories, the USA and parts of the Islamic world will help to shape a route out of this open sore of a conflict. There are templates to follow.

It will help too if the international power brokers drop their hypocrisy and also commit to 'peace and justice'.

[JamesWales]

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I have very little short term optimism. It is going to get worse before it gets better. But long term we all have the ability to do a little to change things for the better. Support what promotes peace and justice and oppose the opposite. There is always change and always choices.

I hope and believe that courage and political will and a new generation of activists in Israel, the occupied territories, the USA and parts of the Islamic world will help to shape a route out of this open sore of a conflict. There are templates to follow.

It will help too if the international power brokers drop their hypocrisy and also commit to 'peace and justice'.

In a practical sense Jon, what would be your vision of that on the ground in terms of West Bank, Gaza Strip etc? Ie, what do you think the middle ground that could be sought is?

[JamesWales]

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Must say this is very unsavoury.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12611763/Hundreds-protesters-gather-outside-Israeli-embassy-London-light-flairs-chant-Free-free-Palestine.html

[Jordi Culé]

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Must say this is very unsavoury.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Palestine.html

It's also brain fuucking dead when they see how the Israeli state will retaliate against Hamas and it'll be Palestinian civilians dying in their hundreds.

No empathy, no humanity, no compassion, just hate.

[Eric Cartman]

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Absolutely

There was a funeral of a young Israeli soldier from London who had gone over to Israel at 18 and was killed on Saturday

The funeral was halted because of threats of incoming missiles

What a complete waste of a young life and there will be funerals on the west bank today too

This is what pisses me off about the 'defend your country' bullshit that we hear from cozy brits in response to any conflict and judging people who leave rather than staying to add themselves to the pile of bodies.

What a ****ing waste on both sides.

[pipster]

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If the atrocities had happened last week then they would have been demonstrating outside the Tory conference too. You are conflating antisemitism with support for the Palestinian people. It’s not the same thing.

Have you ever seen any pro palestine demos at a tory party conference or even a lib dem conference? - the most you would get is the blue rinse brigade demanding more toilets. Labour conferences tend to attract the anti Israel pro Palestine crowd.

[Eric Cartman]

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It's also brain fuucking dead when they see how the Israeli state will retaliate against Hamas and it'll be Palestinian civilians dying in their hundreds.

No empathy, no humanity, no compassion, just hate.

People reach a simple solution to a difficult problem all the time. It's easier to pick a side and say Israel are *****, Hamas are terrorists, Palestinians who vote for Hamas deserve it, Israelis who vote for Netanyahu deserve it etc. It just makes me realise how comfortable we are and how we probably should not try to have much of an opinion. If I had family in Israel or Gaza, I would almost certainly hate the other side.

What we absolutely do need to avoid though is this 'UK political class support for Israel defending itself' turning into the 'UK political class support for Israel doing whatever the **** it wants in retaliation', there needs to be a line. I am starting to think that line might already have been crossed with shutting off food/water (there could be some strategic argument made for cutting off power/fuel I suppose) unless this is temporary.

[Jordi Culé]

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People reach a simple solution to a difficult problem all the time. It's easier to pick a side and say Israel are *****, Hamas are terrorists, Palestinians who vote for Hamas deserve it, Israelis who vote for Netanyahu deserve it etc. It just makes me realise how comfortable we are and how we probably should not try to have much of an opinion. If I had family in Israel or Gaza, I would almost certainly hate the other side.

What we absolutely do need to avoid though is this 'UK political class support for Israel defending itself' turning into the 'UK political class support for Israel doing whatever the **** it wants in retaliation', there needs to be a line. I am starting to think that line might already have been crossed with shutting off food/water (there could be some strategic argument made for cutting off power/fuel I suppose) unless this is temporary.

Civilians from both sides have and will now suffer due to political and nationalist ideologies.

It's a mess. It has been all my lifetime and I don't see it being resolved by the time I pop my cloggs. Some of the stories and imagery are horrific from Israel and Gaza. Why those who enjoy family life in a country far removed from the actual trouble are just devoid of any humanity.

Netanyahu is a ****ing war criminal as is Hamas.

Anyone celebrating or supporting either of the gaggle of cuunts is a cuunt too.

My overly simplistic view on it.

[pipster]

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It wont end until one side wins and the other one loses in that region. Someone said a line has been drawn re shut down of power, food etc. I think that's right. A line has been drawn - Hamas started a war with Israel - it now has 2 options - fight or back down. We know they wont back down and neither will Israel. So Hamas need to either start an evacuation plan or prepare to fight. Eitherway the Gaza strip will flattened over the next few weeks, unless something remarkable happens.

[ninian opinian]

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Have you ever seen any pro palestine demos at a tory party conference or even a lib dem conference? - the most you would get is the blue rinse brigade demanding more toilets. Labour conferences tend to attract the anti Israel pro Palestine crowd.

Stop making these posts to score political points. Demonstrations happen everywhere. It’s an absolute shit show with innocent people being killed.

[chrisp_1927]

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Richard Hecht is the colonel and spokesman of the Israeli Army

He's originally from Glasgow and like a lot of the settlers in Israel is so clearly entrenched in his view that he and his side are right and the Palestinians are wrong

He was on the news talking about defeating the enemy what an absolute delusion

The young man from London who has died fighting for the Israeli army is entitled to do what he wants with his life which sadly has now ended but instead of living as a young man with friends from all backgrounds his faith or religion or whatever it is has propelled him over to a land to fight people he has learned to hate .....his family said he was a good boy but he's taken free will at the age of 20 to fight for a land and its people based upon what he's learned about at Jewish school

And there are obviously young Palestinians who will be on the opposite side and involved in acts of violence despite being in reality just kids

There are huge communities of secular Jews and Arabs living together in Israel , Tel Aviv was until recently a fairly chilled out place , given its history but when in countries faraway from Israel and Palestine young people are being fed and educated by people on both sides who hate and live in the past then it's the viscous circle of tit for tat

There's absolutely no chance of this conflict ever being resolved I am afraid

No chance

Tel Aviv still is to be fair, as is much of the heavily populated gush Dan conurbation it sits in. The loons tend to be in the settlements and Jerusalem. I do think there tends to be one major difference between the Tel Aviv type Israeli liberals and certain other progressives around the world though, that's that the Israeli progressives realise that the actions of the Israeli right are wrong and cause a lot of hatred and a lot of the problems, BUT, also that many in the countries around hate them purely for being Jews, and that if Israel retreats to the pre 1967 borders those people will still hate them just for being Jews. Too many so called progressives in the rest of the world seem to be able to see what Israel does wrong, but never want to challenge the attitudes towards Israel/Jews.

I'm all for a 2 state solution, it's the only choice surely. But I don't think for a minute it would stop attacks from the likes of Hamas

[Dorcus]

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It wont end until one side wins and the other one loses in that region. Someone said a line has been drawn re shut down of power, food etc. I think that's right. A line has been drawn - Hamas started a war with Israel - it now has 2 options - fight or back down. We know they wont back down and neither will Israel. So Hamas need to either start an evacuation plan or prepare to fight. Eitherway the Gaza strip will flattened over the next few weeks, unless something remarkable happens.

Neither side will back down: the only inevitability is continuing mass bloodshed.

[chrisp_1927]

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Civilians from both sides have and will now suffer due to political and nationalist ideologies.

It's a mess. It has been all my lifetime and I don't see it being resolved by the time I pop my cloggs. Some of the stories and imagery are horrific from Israel and Gaza. Why those who enjoy family life in a country far removed from the actual trouble are just devoid of any humanity.

Netanyahu is a ****ing war criminal as is Hamas.

Anyone celebrating or supporting either of the gaggle of cuunts is a cuunt too.

My overly simplistic view on it.

You say overly simplistic. Personally I think you're spot on.