40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[JamesWales]

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A controversial geezer but i think he has this 100% spot on.

At 4:14 he says the terrorist attack in Israel was "tragic but necessary". That's absolutely awful and quite shocking.

[Heathblue]

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At 4:14 he says the terrorist attack in Israel was "tragic but necessary". That's absolutely awful and quite shocking.

It is/was but i was thinking more of the Israel leader has to go, and with a replacement dedicated to recognising the right of the Palestinians and having to settle peace with them. That piece was a poor miss by myself and offer no excuse.

[JamesWales]

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It is/was but i was thinking more of the Israel leader has to go, and with a replacement dedicated to recognising the right of the Palestinians and having to settle peace with them. That piece was a poor miss by myself and offer no excuse.

Not at all, it's easy to miss things but I think that does undermine what he may have gone onto say.

I'm pretty uncomfortable with a few things I've seen/read online in the last week or so.

The videos of people ripping down posters of missing kids was absolutely sickening

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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At 4:14 he says the terrorist attack in Israel was "tragic but necessary". That's absolutely awful and quite shocking.

Scott Ritter said that , not evil eyes

[JamesWales]

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Important in these situations to share what rare nuggets of good news there are I think.

Aid trucks are finally going into the Gaza strip.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-67165505

[Rjk]

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https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/1715426524826923353?t=o1QZi6_2dekXFzl-PStm_g&s=19

question marks over the "audio of Hamas" after the hospital attack

[jon1959]

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Important in these situations to share what rare nuggets of good news there are I think.

Aid trucks are finally going into the Gaza strip.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...-east-67165505

The UNHCR said 2000 trucks needed to avert catastrophe - not 20. Something is better than nothing - but this is mainly about headlines not help. But all is OK because the IDF spokesman said the humanitarian situation is 'under control' because Israel had told the population to flee south. That was said as more rockets and bombs hit churches, mosques, schools and hospitals - in the south!

[jon1959]

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No surprise that Germany has banned all demonstrations in support of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank - but given the green light to demonstrations in support of Israel.

Germany and Austria are European outliers with this - but the deeply entrenched Holocaust guilt has ensured that Israel is given a completely free pass, and that any criticism of the Israeli state or state ideology is denounced as anti semitism and silenced (not just public protests but artworks, books and academic presentations).

The German Social Democrats and Greens are fully signed up to this - it's not just the parties of the right and centre right. They are happy to defend selected war crimes and systematic oppression. I was in Vienna the last time Israel decided to drop white phosphorus on children in Gaza, and the Austrian government thought that was the right time to fly Israeli flags from official buildings as a sign of support!

[JamesWales]

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It is of course outrageous that Germany (and I think France, or maybe they've just severely restricted them?) has banned these.

I do understand Germany's sensitivities, and it is the case that antisemitic or pro- Hamas groups will align themselves with protests where the vast majority are just calling for peace or respect for Palestine etc, but still. What you do is allow protests to happen and to police them properly.

It's an odd tactic and surely anything can just take place under a 'peace march' banner can't it?

[Rjk]

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apparently 91 people have been killed in the west bank by Israel.

how does this stack up with the justification for the actions in Gaza?

[Dorcus]

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apparently 91 people have been killed in the west bank by Israel.

how does this stack up with the justification for the actions in Gaza?

Nothing is so sweet as revenge. It's a thirst that cannot be quenched easily.

[jon1959]

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apparently 91 people have been killed in the west bank by Israel.

how does this stack up with the justification for the actions in Gaza?

Most by the IDF - but a large number by armed settlers out for murder and destruction in West Bank villages and bedouin settlements. This has been going on for years, but more recently the IDF have moved to support these attacks instead of standing passively on the sidelines not intervening.

Since the recent Hamas atrocities the far right government has been issuing press releases to boast about handing out tens of thousands of weapons to illegal settlers - who unsurprisingly have been using them against the people they want to ethnically cleanse.

Not a peep out of our government, or the EU or US government. Van der Leyen and Sunak have recently remembered there is a thing called international law, and are now making token reference to it (like Biden) - but without ever calling out the hourly breaches of that law (aka war crimes).

https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/136685

https://www.newarab.com/news/armed-israeli-settlers-threaten-palestinians-west-bank

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/21/gaza-palestinians-west-bank-violence-attacks-israeli-settlers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/the-most-successful-land-grab-strategy-since-1967-as-settlers-push-bedouins-off-west-bank-territory

[Dorcus]

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Most by the IDF - but a large number by armed settlers out for murder and destruction in West Bank villages and bedouin settlements. This has been going on for years, but more recently the IDF have moved to support these attacks instead of standing passively on the sidelines not intervening.

Since the recent Hamas atrocities the far right government has been issuing press releases to boast about handing out tens of thousands of weapons to illegal settlers - who unsurprisingly have been using them against the people they want to ethnically cleanse.

Not a peep out of our government, or the EU or US government. Van der Leyen and Sunak have recently remembered there is a thing called international law, and are now making token reference to it (like Biden) - but without ever calling out the hourly breaches of that law (aka war crimes).

https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/136685

https://www.newarab.com/news/armed-israeli-settlers-threaten-palestinians-west-bank

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/21/gaza-palestinians-west-bank-violence-attacks-israeli-settlers

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...bank-territory

But the UK government is apoplectic about one lone Palestinian supporter shouting "jihad".

[JamesWales]

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But the UK government is apoplectic about one lone Palestinian supporter shouting "jihad".

Ridiculous thing to say on every level, esp after Jon's response.

Why the fk would we want people on our streets shouting about Jihad?

[Dorcus]

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Ridiculous thing to say on every level, esp after Jon's response.

Why the fk would we want people on our streets shouting about Jihad?

It's not ridiculous in the least. The Israeli response is a "jihad" in whatever word it means in Hebrew. Why should the Palestinian people be restrained and not the Jews? Show even a modicum of balance man!