The Grand Old Party.

[JamesWales]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

Jimbo, I believe you were a student in the US very briefly on an exchange many years ago. That does not in any way qualify as "living" here. Some of us on here, otoh, have lived in the US for decades and are citizens. Just as when you like to "argue" (as you see it) with me about Economics, you are not qualified to. "I've got mates there" etc. does not qualify. Have you actually ever tried to talk to a Trump supporter face-to-face?

You don't live here and you don't have continual exposure to the groups of people being referred to, I do. The Republican Party does not exist of old no longer exists; it has been replaced by a cult centered on Donald Trump.

I know you are generally unable to accept anyone else's opinion but on this one occasion it would make sense to listen to someone who is much, much closer to it than you are.

I described, I think fairly accurately, the four groups I see as comprising the core support of Trump. The reasons for their support are much variegated. Sludge's descriptions were somewhat oversimplifications, but he has, in his own inimitable way, made valid points about the various groups in an imagined kind of composite characterization.

Wow. I can see how anyone who has a different view doesn't like t engage with you 🤣.

Irony a little off the scale there too.

If you want to have a chat with Sludge about how everyone else is just fat, racist and stupid then crack on, but I'll drop out of that one thanks! 👍

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

Wow. I can see how anyone who has a different view doesn't like t engage with you 🤣.

Irony a little off the scale there too.

If you want to have a chat with Sludge about how everyone else is just fat, racist and stupid then crack on, but I'll drop out of that one thanks! 👍

He's served your arse on a plate

He lives in America, he's an American citizen

No wonder you are dropping out

You are as bad as the trump idiots , continually backing and sympathising with all these utter freaks

Farage is a few steps away from trump yet you are all over that fool like a rash

Braverman , another right wing nutcase

Don't give me that nuanced middle of the road crap

Have you got your ear bandage yet?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

Jimbo, I believe you were a student in the US very briefly on an exchange many years ago. That does not in any way qualify as "living" here. Some of us on here, otoh, have lived in the US for decades and are citizens. Just as when you like to "argue" (as you see it) with me about Economics, you are not qualified to. "I've got mates there" etc. does not qualify. Have you actually ever tried to talk to a Trump supporter face-to-face?

You don't live here and you don't have continual exposure to the groups of people being referred to, I do. The Republican Party does not exist of old no longer exists; it has been replaced by a cult centered on Donald Trump.

I know you are generally unable to accept anyone else's opinion but on this one occasion it would make sense to listen to someone who is much, much closer to it than you are.

I described, I think fairly accurately, the four groups I see as comprising the core support of Trump. The reasons for their support are much variegated. Sludge's descriptions were somewhat oversimplifications, but he has, in his own inimitable way, made valid points about the various groups in an imagined kind of composite characterization.

You are wasting your time

I reckon he's got pictures of trump , farage , Patel and braverman on his wall

[JamesWales]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

He's served your arse on a plate

He lives in America, he's an American citizen

No wonder you are dropping out

You are as bad as the trump idiots , continually backing and sympathising with all these utter freaks

Farage is a few steps away from trump yet you are all over that fool like a rash

Braverman , another right wing nutcase

Don't give me that nuanced middle of the road crap

Have you got your ear bandage yet?

One post that contains four insults, and you use that to position yourself as the sensible one!

How can you not see it? I genuinely don't get it!?

It's pointless debating with people like you and (to a lesser extent ) AZ on topics like this, so you to crack on labelling millions racist and fat and stupid and talking an absolute gibberish about how nearly all Christians vote Republican etc.

It's genuinely a waste of time. You are too far down the rabbit hole.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

One post that contains four insults, and you use that to position yourself as the sensible one!

How can you not see it? I genuinely don't get it!?

It's pointless debating with people like you and (to a lesser extent ) AZ on topics like this, so you to crack on labelling millions racist and fat and stupid and talking an absolute gibberish about how nearly all Christians vote Republican etc.

It's genuinely a waste of time. You are too far down the rabbit hole.

I don't pretend to be sensible

You are the one who pretends he's nuanced and balanced

But that's nonsense

You like a balanced debate as long as its right wing

You have over the last 18 months had your nose stuck up braverman , patel , farage and now you are kissing the arse of trump and the Republican fruitcakes

You carry on , you are in a right wing maze

Anyone can see how insane those republicans are even you but you are trapped

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/18/politics/video/rnc-ear-bandages-trump-digvid

This one's made out of a napkin and a pin

Hes wearing it all day

God bless America 🇺🇸

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/18/polit...s-trump-digvid

This one's made out of a napkin and a pin

Hes wearing it all day

God bless America 🇺🇸

Just back from trying to storm the government buildings in Washington DC

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2024/jul/18/donald-trump-fans-wear-bandages-on-ears-to-show-support-in-pictures#img-5

Fruitloop

[JamesWales]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

I don't pretend to be sensible

You are the one who pretends he's nuanced and balanced

But that's nonsense

You like a balanced debate as long as its right wing

You have over the last 18 months had your nose stuck up braverman , patel , farage and now you are kissing the arse of trump and the Republican fruitcakes

You carry on , you are in a right wing maze

Anyone can see how insane those republicans are even you but you are trapped

You are literally on here calling people fat, stupid, racist and the like and that's your characterisation of the situation, illustrated with a few plainly incorrect statistics about religion and other bizarre and grotesque stereotypes.

Anyone who thinks that is wrong or inaccurate or a bit narrow minded etc is labelled "right wing". Anyone who thinks it's unhelpful in understanding what is going on is insulted and called extreme. The irony!

Honestly, as I say, the ability of you not to see the utter absurdity of all this just makes it a complete waste of time. The sad thing is that people like you are recruiting sergeants for the very parties and people you claim to hate.

Have a cracking weekend! 👍

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

You are literally on here calling people fat, stupid, racist and the like and that's your characterisation of the situation, illustrated with a few plainly incorrect statistics about religion and other bizarre and grotesque stereotypes.

Anyone who thinks that is wrong or inaccurate or a bit narrow minded etc is labelled "right wing". Anyone who thinks it's unhelpful in understanding what is going on is insulted and called extreme. The irony!

Honestly, as I say, the ability of you not to see the utter absurdity of all this just makes it a complete waste of time. The sad thing is that people like you are recruiting sergeants for the very parties and people you claim to hate.

Have a cracking weekend! 👍

The right wing in America are absolute fruitcakes and I couldn't care less about them

I am not interested in your sociological debates about it because you are the poster boy of defending the right

It's odd

[Wales-Bales]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

I think all religion is potty , the American evangelicals the most current path to mutually assured destruction

I believe in live and let live. You just have to accept people for who they are and look for the common ground. There are good and bad people everywhere, and you can learn a lot through being tolerant and understanding of others.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

I believe in live and let live. You just have to accept people for who they are and look for the common ground. There are good and bad people everywhere, and you can learn a lot through being tolerant and understanding of others.

Good luck in finding common ground with those trump nutcases

God
Guns
Anti Abortion
Sticking nappies over their right ear

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

I believe in live and let live. You just have to accept people for who they are and look for the common ground. There are good and bad people everywhere, and you can learn a lot through being tolerant and understanding of others.

Given the latest attempt at self-delusion it seems a reasonable time to recount your personal contribution to living and letting live and showing tolerance and understanding of others!

Shill,
Moron,
Revisionist Tosser,
Irritating ****
Troll
Disinformation propagandist
Complete Moron
Total Waste of Space
Weirdo
A Psycho
Drama Queen
BS Merchant
Obsessive whack job and
On the edge of what is normal
Paid Shill or something
Political Hack with a dodgy ideology
Messageboard spammer
Morally Righteous
Virtue Signaller
Righteous Ranter
Proven Propagandist
Dopey Fool
Clueless Propagandist shill
Guilt tripper
Welsh version of Kim Jong Un
Cultural Maxist
OCD sufferer
Unhinged
you are a childish knut
Hahahaha cyril's a clever boy hahahaha
©Cyril
You are starting to make lardy & cyril look clever
You've got a few screws loose mate and you need to sort yourself out!
Lowest of the Low
Scum of the Earth
Deranged Person
Totally Bonkers
Nutcase.

[az city]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

Let me play devils advocate for a moment..
You said “no rational person could vote for him” and maybe that’s right, but if the majority do vote for him and you don’t, maybe you aren’t the rational one?
Just because people dont share your political opinion it doesn’t make them irrational?, that is the swamp area mindset of certain people on here. The “you’re all scum scum scum” rant of Raynor etc
To turn on its head, trump will win because ‘rational’ democrats think a dementia ridden oap is the only option to lead the free world. To me that makes them irrational, if democrats could rationally sort their sh1t out they should be able to eat trump for breakfast

1. You misquoted me: I said "rational, honest".

2. I didn't express any political opinion in describing the coalition of Trump supporters. Those are the core groups that support him.

3. Some of Trump's supporters are rational, many are not.

4. The irrational may be honest. But then they are stupid. They are lied and lied and lied to by Fox News and the like.

5. Leave the Democrats' dilemma out of it.

6. I repeat - no rational, honest person could vote for Trump.

[az city]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

I believe in live and let live. You just have to accept people for who they are and look for the common ground. There are good and bad people everywhere, and you can learn a lot through being tolerant and understanding of others.

I think that was the mantra of Hitler's appeasers.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: The Grand Old Party.

I think that was the mantra of Hitler's appeasers.

Like I said there are good and bad people in every society, and you can't tar everybody with the same brush. There are some right nutters on here, so I try to ignore the weirdos and stalkers and only engage with the moderate posters.