New Party on the Left

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Yeah, a guess but I'd imagine there's been a fair bit of trademark dilly dallying from Corbyn and she has lost her composure and fallen at the first hurdle, proving that she is far from ready to take something like this on.

Its very poor timing given the context around the welfare bill and ramifications of the leadership potentially realising they actually have to listen to their own backbenches. I'd imagine a lot of MPs who were warming up on the idea of a breakaway might now think they have more of a purpose within the labour party than in some a.n.other protest vote which breakaways tend to end up being.

Most of those rebels dont seem interested which is good

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having 5 main parties right across the political spectrum can only be a good thing, and may result in more consensus politics longer term.

[Rjk]

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having 5 main parties right across the political spectrum can only be a good thing, and may result in more consensus politics longer term.

not with our current electoral system it isn't

[jon1959]

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having 5 main parties right across the political spectrum can only be a good thing, and may result in more consensus politics longer term.

If a new party of the left is formed that would mean six major parties now that the Greens are building their numbers again.

The Tories don't publish membership figures (researchers have to rely on extrapolating from their member income figures in annual accounts) and the Lib Dems dipped before picking up again after the local election. Reform are claiming an impressive number of individual members (almost double the Tories) which looks higher than their local organisation (improving but still in its early stages) would imply.

The 'latest' membership figures are:

Labour - 309,000 - and still dropping (was over 530,000 in 2019)
Tories - 131,680 - with half of them in care homes!
Lib Dems - 90,000+ - but they go up and down like a yo-yo
Reform - 234,175 - maybe?
Greens - 65,000+ and another 7,646 for the Scottish Greens

Any new left wing party built around the Independents and Labour defectors (or Labour suspended/expelled), and mainly people who are not currently members of any other party, would probably also take some members away from the Greens and Lib Dems.

[Heathblue]

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Jokers to the left, Jokers to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with who?
Sorry!!

[JamesWales]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y7zqdwzqyo

Interesting range of seats that these four represent.

Two of them are in seats that I think most would say Labour are extremely unlikely to hold next election.

I wonder if that's something that increasingly may damage Starmer, as it did Sunak, as if the next seat seems unwinnable, MPs are probably more likely to take a moral stance on things that may not necessarily be the best moves for their careers

What's the latest gossip on the Corbyn/Sultana party?

[the other bob wilson]

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Starmer trying to show what a strong man leader he is :facepalm:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/16/keir-starmer-to-remove-labour-whip-from-at-least-three-persistent-rebel-mps

Thought he was dreadful in PMQs today.

[JamesWales]

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Starmer trying to show what a strong man leader he is :facepalm:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/16/keir-starmer-to-remove-labour-whip-from-at-least-three-persistent-rebel-mps

Thought he was dreadful in PMQs today.

I try to watch it most weeks and i
I thought he was dreadful today too, and normally I think he is okay, although I'm noticing more and more he is parroting our slogans. Badenoch isn't great at it, but I thought she won today and her quip at "I'm not talking down the country, I am talking down you" was quite good I thought.

Starmer will be very pleased that the summer recess has come. As I think will many others. We all need a bit of a break.

[Wales-Bales]

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Which party is going to sort out the big black hole including the 7 billion hidden expenditure!

[the other bob wilson]

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I try to watch it most weeks and i
I thought he was dreadful today too, and normally I think he is okay, although I'm noticing more and more he is parroting our slogans. Badenoch isn't great at it, but I thought she won today and her quip at "I'm not talking down the country, I am talking down you" was quite good I thought.

Starmer will be very pleased that the summer recess has come. As I think will many others. We all need a bit of a break.

I think Badenoch comes over as prissy and generally ineffective, but I agree she got the better of Starmer today and that line you quote was the highlight of a largely forgettable exchange.

[jon1959]

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Which party is going to sort out the big black hole including the 7 billion hidden expenditure!

Reform have got a cunning plan for that.

When they sweep into power (!) they will sack all the Equalities officers in Lincolnshire.

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Its blindingly obvious that starmer and his cabinet needs liquidation

Only then can a more reasonable and less clueless labour party emerge

Having labour , liberals , greens and possibly corbyns mob all scrambling b for votes will just allow farage to stroll into power

Its all very well having choices but when reform are looking odds on for victory egos need to go out the window ......get a left of centre rainbow party set up you clueless bunch of idiots

[JamesWales]

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Can't see that happening. Greens are mad and would push for things that would unsettle the market. Lib Dems a profoundly different party. Could see a coalition after an election but not before. Corbyns lot more likely to align with the Greens separately. Starmer wants little to do with them. SNP (I know you didn't mention them) are massive rivals and big differences on Scottish independence. Plaid are insignificant on a UK wide level.

The reality is Labour are facing the same problems the Tories are. The same problems most countries are.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Can't see that happening. Greens are mad and would push for things that would unsettle the market. Lib Dems a profoundly different party. Could see a coalition after an election but not before. Corbyns lot more likely to align with the Greens separately. Starmer wants little to do with them. SNP (I know you didn't mention them) are massive rivals and big differences on Scottish independence. Plaid are insignificant on a UK wide level.

The reality is Labour are facing the same problems the Tories are. The same problems most countries are.

The first rule of Sludge's Tories are scum club is that there is no Tories are scum club!!

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Can't see that happening. Greens are mad and would push for things that would unsettle the market. Lib Dems a profoundly different party. Could see a coalition after an election but not before. Corbyns lot more likely to align with the Greens separately. Starmer wants little to do with them. SNP (I know you didn't mention them) are massive rivals and big differences on Scottish independence. Plaid are insignificant on a UK wide level.

The reality is Labour are facing the same problems the Tories are. The same problems most countries are.

If we dont get a larger middle ground rainbow alliance farage walks in

So either they cobblers something together or just carry on whilst he walks in through the back door