Will Mandy bring Down Sir Kier Stazi ?

[Pearcey3]

Re: Will Mandy bring Down Sir Kier Stazi ?

I have never felt the need and very few do, but I sense that the hunt for imaginary Nazis over real victims is an easier pastime for you to pursue so crack on Poirot!

OK. Enough. We won't agree on anything so let's leave it at that.

[JamesWales]

Re: Will Mandy bring Down Sir Kier Stazi ?

OK. Enough. We won't agree on anything so let's leave it at that.

Actually I am sure we do agree that the perpetrators of the rape and trafficking of any women and minors involved in this case are brought to justice, so it's good to focus on the commonalities. 👍

[Pearcey3]

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Actually I am sure we do agree that the perpetrators of the rape and trafficking of any women and minors involved in this case are brought to justice, so it's good to focus on the commonalities. 👍

Yes of course and it is sickening that so many depraved people are getting away with it.

[the other bob wilson]

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I voted for the first time a few weeks after my 18th birthday in the first 1974 General Election and have voted in every one since then. I voted Labour in every one of them apart from in 2001 and 2005 and would have done so then if there had been any suggestion of the Tories winning.

I’ve always considered my political beliefs to be left of centre, but not overly so - for example, I can remember me arguing with fellow Labour voters back in the 80s (particularly in 1983) when I considered that they had policies which the public at large would never vote for in sufficient numbers to form a Government

I don’t believe my views have changed that much in the past fifty years and have never considered myself “far left” and it’s an indication of how far the political pendulum has swung to the right in the past fifteen years that I feel that although I’m still the same person as I’ve always been politically, I’d be considered far left by many now.

It is one of life’s great mysteries that a financial crisis caused by bankers and capitalism in 2008 has been the catalyst for this move to the right which has given us the likes of Trump, Farage, Netanyahu, Vance, Orban etc. There is another reason for what happened in 2008 and that’s financial deregulation and I suppose my falling out of love with Labour began in the late 90s when the Blair Government provided the same sort of encouragement for crooked bankers through financial industry deregulation as the Thatcher/Major Governments had done, but, arguably, even more so.

The 99 per cent’s lives have been made more miserable by what those bankers did almost twenty years ago and a suspicion that Labour would be little different financially to the shambles which came before them meant i voted Labour in 2024 with as little enthusiasm as I’ve ever done. I’d made my mind up that, unless Starmer’s Labour provided a totally unexpected and pleasant surprise by governing as a true left of centre party, I’d probably voted Labour for the last time in my life.

Starmer’s Labour have surprised me in Government, but only because they have turned out to be far worse than I expected them to be. I was expecting the continuation of austerity, but I wasn’t expecting the cruelty, arrogance and stupidity of some of their policies. Not only that, there’s been too many examples of appalling political judgment and crass errors (not least the appointment of Mandelson as American Ambassador) to give the party another chance.

Starmer’s Labour behaves as if the left in their own party are the “real” enemy and we’ve never been further away from the beliefs and principles that brought about the party’s formation at a time when they have not been needed more in my life time - I hope Starmer pays for his woeful judgment regarding Mandelson with his job, but, after the carve up to keep Burnham out, I have no great belief that whoever comes along in his place will make me feel any better about the party.

[Pearcey3]

Re: Will Mandy bring Down Sir Kier Stazi ?

I voted for the first time a few weeks after my 18th birthday in the first 1974 General Election and have voted in every one since then. I voted Labour in every one of them apart from in 2001 and 2005 and would have done so then if there had been any suggestion of the Tories winning.

I’ve always considered my political beliefs to be left of centre, but not overly so - for example, I can remember me arguing with fellow Labour voters back in the 80s (particularly in 1983) when I considered that they had policies which the public at large would never vote for in sufficient numbers to form a Government

I don’t believe my views have changed that much in the past fifty years and have never considered myself “far left” and it’s an indication of how far the political pendulum has swung to the right in the past fifteen years that I feel that although I’m still the same person as I’ve always been politically, I’d be considered far left by many now.

It is one of life’s great mysteries that a financial crisis caused by bankers and capitalism in 2008 has been the catalyst for this move to the right which has given us the likes of Trump, Farage, Netanyahu, Vance, Orban etc. There is another reason for what happened in 2008 and that’s financial deregulation and I suppose my falling out of love with Labour began in the late 90s when the Blair Government provided the same sort of encouragement for crooked bankers through financial industry deregulation as the Thatcher/Major Governments had done, but, arguably, even more so.

The 99 per cent’s lives have been made more miserable by what those bankers did almost twenty years ago and a suspicion that Labour would be little different financially to the shambles which came before them meant i voted Labour in 2024 with as little enthusiasm as I’ve ever done. I’d made my mind up that, unless Starmer’s Labour provided a totally unexpected and pleasant surprise by governing as a true left of centre party, I’d probably voted Labour for the last time in my life.

Starmer’s Labour have surprised me in Government, but only because they have turned out to be far worse than I expected them to be. I was expecting the continuation of austerity, but I wasn’t expecting the cruelty, arrogance and stupidity of some of their policies. Not only that, there’s been too many examples of appalling political judgment and crass errors (not least the appointment of Mandelson as American Ambassador) to give the party another chance.

Starmer’s Labour behaves as if the left in their own party are the “real” enemy and we’ve never been further away from the beliefs and principles that brought about the party’s formation at a time when they have not been needed more in my life time - I hope Starmer pays for his woeful judgment regarding Mandelson with his job, but, after the carve up to keep Burnham out, I have no great belief that whoever comes along in his place will make me feel any better about the party.

Well said Paul. As a lifelong Labour voter I ended my membership in 2022. I feel a mixture of anger and sadness at what they have become.

[jon1959]

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The piety is from Pearcy (and of course yourself) in such dedication to your own political religion that any story is turned on its head to be about something that you want it to be. In this case a scandal about the right/left battle Labour Party and how Corbyn was held back. I see you have now also decided to bring in a Canary article that is surprise surprise about Israel.

It's not just a political drama, it's a crime scene and Pearcy talking about "loving this" and you now using it to make political points is unsavoury in my opinion. Nothing pious about that, just pointing out you both sound odd.

Epstein trafficked and raped women and minors. It's not about Corbyn or Israel.

Utter nonsense.

This thread is about how the decisions taken by Kier Starmer (advised by Morgan McSweeney) might bring him down.

I doubt many people will disagree about the crimes of Epstein and his friends and clients. I doubt many will deny that the victims are and should always be the main concern. I doubt many will have ambiguous views about Mandelson and all the other entitled monsters who gave Epstein support and advice for years after he was convicted of child trafficking and rape.

We have discussed most of that in other threads.

This one is about the Labour Party and its leader. About their behaviour, morals and culture. Their backstory and record, what influences their decisions, and the way they deal with other issues is absolutely relevant in a thread about whether Starmer will survive (he shouldn't) or how he will try to weasel his way out of a disgraceful omni shambles of his own making (throwing McSweeney under a bus is probably step one).

If you have nothing to contribute - then don't.

[Heathblue]

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CCMB heavyweight commies arguing amongst themselves, love it

[goats]

Re: Will Mandy bring Down Sir Kier Stazi ?

Utter nonsense.

This thread is about how the decisions taken by Kier Starmer (advised by Morgan McSweeney) might bring him down.

I doubt many people will disagree about the crimes of Epstein and his friends and clients. I doubt many will deny that the victims are and should always be the main concern. I doubt many will have ambiguous views about Mandelson and all the other entitled monsters who gave Epstein support and advice for years after he was convicted of child trafficking and rape.

We have discussed most of that in other threads.

This one is about the Labour Party and its leader. About their behaviour, morals and culture. Their backstory and record, what influences their decisions, and the way they deal with other issues is absolutely relevant in a thread about whether Starmer will survive (he shouldn't) or how he will try to weasel his way out of a disgraceful omni shambles of his own making (throwing McSweeney under a bus is probably step one).

If you have nothing to contribute - then don't.

They are good at lying and getting away with it mind, raynor has already done it after a whopper and we all know reeves made up the 20 million black hole…

[jon1959]

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They are good at lying and getting away with it mind

True.

[jon1959]

Re: Will Mandy bring Down Sir Kier Stazi ?

CCMB heavyweight commies arguing amongst themselves, love it

'Heavyweight commies'!

A clutch of old social democrats, an 'anyone but the Tories' liberal, and a 'balanced' Reform supporter?

Keeping your powder dry, Heath?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Why do I need to suck that? I voted Green in 2024 and will do so in 2029. I was one of the 800,000 who initially signed up but when Corbyn and Sultana started threatening legal action against each other on social media they lost me.
So suck on that yourself.

So if at the next election in your seat the only way of keeping out reform would be to vote labour ....as crap as they are ...

You in your santimonious way would vote green or yourparty because of your principles

Well done

Have a cigar

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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CCMB heavyweight commies arguing amongst themselves, love it

These academic life savers and vessels of principle can whistle away all day but reform need to be beaten

[Pearcey3]

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So if at the next election in your seat the only way of keeping out reform would be to vote labour ....as crap as they are ...

You in your santimonious way would vote green or yourparty because of your principles

Well done

Have a cigar

You really don't get it do you? I despise Labour/Con/Reform. They are all rotten to the core.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Will Mandy bring Down Sir Kier Stazi ?

Morgan McSweeney has resigned as Starmer''s chief of staff

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Will Mandy bring Down Sir Kier Stazi ?

Morgan McSweeney has resigned as Starmer''s chief of staff

Starmer next?