Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[the other bob wilson]

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What a depressing graph that is.

[goats]

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What a depressing graph that is.

The media really need to be sorted at the moment, we all know it’s a big deal etc but come on, not sure if it’s the government leading them to try and make people scared to go out etc but making a lot of particularly elderly folk I know so depressed they can’t watch it anymore.

[goats]

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Following on from my last past I haven’t seen too much of the news this week either, this weather doesn’t lend itself to having the Tv on!
As deaths in Wales seem to be low and falling, I’m hearing from my dr and nurse next door neighbours that the Heath is quiet and MS not even being used yet, so are we over the peak? Can we start to relax things a bit, small shops open etc? Get track and tracing full on to catch any new infections straight away. I hear they want to recruit 1000’ of people to do this, how will they do this and can anyone do it?

[Jordi Culé]

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Some people trust Boris Johnson?

**** me silly

[splott parker]

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Kier Starmer getting a bit of a raw deal there.

[the other bob wilson]

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The media really need to be sorted at the moment, we all know it’s a big deal etc but come on, not sure if it’s the government leading them to try and make people scared to go out etc but making a lot of particularly elderly folk I know so depressed they can’t watch it anymore.

There were over 100 deaths announced for Wales yesterday, albeit all but twenty six of them were down to procedural delays which meant they could not be recorded at the time of death.

I found that graph depressing because the, justified, high rating of the NHS and the relatively high ratings of Conservative party politicians seems incompatible to me given ten years of austerity and almost as long pay freezes against staff employed in the health service. While this article shows it's wrong to say all but one Tory directly voted down a pay rise for NHS staff, apart from four who abstained, every Conservative vote against a means by which the pay cap could be ended and it is true to say that some of them cheered when the result was announced;-

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/

Also, like Splott Parker, I find myself wondering what Kier Starmer has done to deserve such a low rating.

[surge]

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We understand that while the chief scientific advisers from Scotland, Wales and N Ireland have been allowed to listen in on Sage meetings, they have been doing so as observers. Unlike Cummings and Warner, they were not allowed to ask questions, unless submitted in writing.

https://twitter.com/PaulLewis/status...52259395813377

We need to know more about how SAGE is set up and how it presents its information.

[surge]

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New exercise rules for those living in Wales: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-52416541

[surge]

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And don't forget Brexit is still steaming ahead with UK government saying absolutely no extension:

"That means that we need genuine progress by June if, at the end of this year, we want to strike an agreement which is commensurate to the level of our economic interdependence and geographical proximity."
But he said there were four areas where progress was "disappointing", including the level playing field (what kind of access the UK could have to the European single market after Brexit), justice and fisheries.
And he warned that the "clock was ticking". - Mr Barnier

In a statement, the UK government said it had been a "full and constructive negotiating round".
"However, limited progress was made in bridging the gaps between us and the EU," it said.
The UK government also highlighted "significant differences of principle" in areas including the level playing field and fisheries.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52414155

[xsnaggle]

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There were over 100 deaths announced for Wales yesterday, albeit all but twenty six of them were down to procedural delays which meant they could not be recorded at the time of death.

I found that graph depressing because the, justified, high rating of the NHS and the relatively high ratings of Conservative party politicians seems incompatible to me given ten years of austerity and almost as long pay freezes against staff employed in the health service. While this article shows it's wrong to say all but one Tory directly voted down a pay rise for NHS staff, apart from four who abstained, every Conservative vote against a means by which the pay cap could be ended and it is true to say that some of them cheered when the result was announced;-

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/

Also, like Splott Parker, I find myself wondering what Kier Starmer has done to deserve such a low rating.

I think KS's low rating is not for him personally but as Leader of the Labour Party. This means he had to start from JC's very low rating at the time he left and build on it. That, the leaking of the internal report, the current crisis where they mayb e supporting the governemnt more openly than thye may usually, coupled with Parliament not sitting and giving him air time means the public haven't seen enough of him to judge.
give him time

[Hilts]

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Starmer needs to look at Piers Morgan(cant believe im saying this) and start holding this government to account for their shambolic handling of this crisis.

[goats]

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There were over 100 deaths announced for Wales yesterday, albeit all but twenty six of them were down to procedural delays which meant they could not be recorded at the time of death.

I found that graph depressing because the, justified, high rating of the NHS and the relatively high ratings of Conservative party politicians seems incompatible to me given ten years of austerity and almost as long pay freezes against staff employed in the health service. While this article shows it's wrong to say all but one Tory directly voted down a pay rise for NHS staff, apart from four who abstained, every Conservative vote against a means by which the pay cap could be ended and it is true to say that some of them cheered when the result was announced;-

https://fullfact.org/health/queens-speech-public-sector-pay/

Also, like Splott Parker, I find myself wondering what Kier Starmer has done to deserve such a low rating.

Wasn’t it 76 or something from delays over a month in north wales? Thought we were down to 20 odd death yesterday itself?

[xsnaggle]

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It was 84 out of 88 reported yesterday by them.

This is a trust that has been in "specially measures" for years and has just be reported again recently for a complete failure to improve. what amazes me is not that the error occurred (Though that is bad enough) but that on the news every evening they tell us the numbers by area and no one up there noticed. Incredible. someone must have known.

the actual deaths yesterday was 26 I think.

[delmbox]

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Starmer needs to look at Piers Morgan(cant believe im saying this) and start holding this government to account for their shambolic handling of this crisis.

Guaranteed way of turning people against him immediately. Still lots of people in "this is like WW2, we must not criticise anything" mode

[the other bob wilson]

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I think KS's low rating is not for him personally but as Leader of the Labour Party. This means he had to start from JC's very low rating at the time he left and build on it. That, the leaking of the internal report, the current crisis where they mayb e supporting the governemnt more openly than thye may usually, coupled with Parliament not sitting and giving him air time means the public haven't seen enough of him to judge.
give him time

Yes, I think there's something to what you say, but I reckon it's about 90 per cent certain that we are going to pass the 20,000 deaths mark later today and I think it's fair to say that it's now generally accepted that, in truth, we passed it days ago. That was the figure singled out as a "good outcome" about a month ago and this week we saw an article in the Financial Times suggesting that the real figure could be as high as 41,000.

Granted, we are around the same size population wise as the likes of Spain, France and Italy who all have similar figures to ours, but we had the advantage of having longer to prepare for what was coming than they did and it will be absolutely shocking in my view if we end up as the country with the most deaths in Europe as has been suggested by some studies recently.