Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Delbert]

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In the interview Costello says 50,000 excess deaths have been caused so far by Johnson’s failure to lock down earlier. The initial plan to pursue herd immunity has been a catastrophe.

No-one knows what the exact level of population immunity is required to achieve herd immunity. But instead of attempting to eliminate the virus, as New Zealand and others have done and as even Scotland is attempting to do, Johnson continues to pursue policies which are causing unnacceptably high rates of community transmission and deaths.

[goats]

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In the interview Costello says 50,000 excess deaths have been caused so far by Johnson’s failure to lock down earlier. The initial plan to pursue herd immunity has been a catastrophe.

No-one knows what the exact level of population immunity is required to achieve herd immunity. But instead of attempting to eliminate the virus, as New Zealand and others have done and as even Scotland is attempting to do, Johnson continues to pursue policies which are causing unnacceptably high rates of community transmission and deaths.

What she did in NZ is admirable but it’s not a long term solution if they want their economy that relies hugely in tourism to continue.
They have to let people in at some point. I really don’t know what Scotland is up to, How does she think they could be Covid free by September? They building a wall Mexico style to keep the English out are they?

[goats]

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In the interview Costello says 50,000 excess deaths have been caused so far by Johnson’s failure to lock down earlier. The initial plan to pursue herd immunity has been a catastrophe.

No-one knows what the exact level of population immunity is required to achieve herd immunity. But instead of attempting to eliminate the virus, as New Zealand and others have done and as even Scotland is attempting to do, Johnson continues to pursue policies which are causing unnacceptably high rates of community transmission and deaths.

He also says Sage got stuff wrong early on, which I find surprising. Herd immunity doesn’t need as much % of population as I thought previous either.

[Rjk]

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He also says Sage got stuff wrong early on, which I find surprising. Herd immunity doesn’t need as much % of population as I thought previous either.

I don't think they know for sure yet what %of the population being infected would give herd immunity

[Jordi Culé]

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Man who never accepts responsibility or accountability for anything starts washing his hands.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/06/anger-after-johnson-appears-to-blame-care-homes-for-their-high-death-toll

[the other bob wilson]

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Brazil's Bolsonaro tests positive.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-53319517

[ToTaL ITK]

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half way down page two of the forum....seems things are getting back to normal

[Rjk]

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https://newsakmi.com/news/world/uk-news/ministers-blew-10-billion-on-bungled-track-and-trace-system/amp/

somehow we've spent 10 billion on a track and trace system that doesn't work.

Ireland have theirs up and running and cost a fraction of that.

I wonder where that 10bn is now.

[the other bob wilson]

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https://newsakmi.com/news/world/uk-n...ce-system/amp/

somehow we've spent 10 billion on a track and trace system that doesn't work.

Ireland have theirs up and running and cost a fraction of that.

I wonder where that 10bn is now.

[the other bob wilson]

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A triumph of dogma over common sense?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/10/uk-has-opted-out-of-eu-coronavirus-vaccine-programme-sources-say

[lisvaneblue]

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A triumph of dogma over common sense?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...me-sources-say

Probably a good decision as we would be last in the queue for distribution as an ex-member state. Also Germany, France and Holland have already committed to purchase 400m doses of the AZ vaccine and this will be folded into the EU numbers.

Knowing a bit about the European medicines supply chain and regulatory issues around licensing of new products I reckon we are better doing our own thing

[the other bob wilson]

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Probably a good decision as we would be last in the queue for distribution as an ex-member state. Also Germany, France and Holland have already committed to purchase 400m doses of the AZ vaccine and this will be folded into the EU numbers.

Knowing a bit about the European medicines supply chain and regulatory issues around licensing of new products I reckon we are better doing our own thing

Fair enough, I can see that we could be low down the queue so to speak if any vaccine was effective - that's why I added the question mark, as it's hardly a subject I know much about.

[Rjk]

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Probably a good decision as we would be last in the queue for distribution as an ex-member state. Also Germany, France and Holland have already committed to purchase 400m doses of the AZ vaccine and this will be folded into the EU numbers.

Knowing a bit about the European medicines supply chain and regulatory issues around licensing of new products I reckon we are better doing our own thing

I know a bit about the regulatory requirements as well, why do you think we are better doing our own thing?
if we had different regulatory requirements to the EU then nobody is going to target our market first, they would go for the EU first then look at what they would need to do to launch in the smaller markets afterwards

[lisvaneblue]

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I know a bit about the regulatory requirements as well, why do you think we are better doing our own thing?
if we had different regulatory requirements to the EU then nobody is going to target our market first, they would go for the EU first then look at what they would need to do to launch in the smaller markets afterwards

Assuming no deal Brexit we will have different licensing and MHRA will be responsible for approval new medicines and issuing MAs. The UK gov is setting about streamlining the UK approval process so it may be that we give approval for Covid vaccines ahead of the EU. EMA will no longer be in control of UK.

Pharma will launch first in markets that give earliest approvals. They will also have a commitment to pre-orders as and when approval is granted. UK is an attractive market as it is a reference point for many countries for approvals and price.

Also the manufacture and distribution will be phased, it's not as if they will drop 400m doses off at a warehouse in Germany.

[Rjk]

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Assuming no deal Brexit we will have different licensing and MHRA will be responsible for approval new medicines and issuing MAs. The UK gov is setting about streamlining the UK approval process so it may be that we give approval for Covid vaccines ahead of the EU. EMA will no longer be in control of UK.

Pharma will launch first in markets that give earliest approvals. They will also have a commitment to pre-orders as and when approval is granted. UK is an attractive market as it is a reference point for many countries for approvals and price.

Also the manufacture and distribution will be phased, it's not as if they will drop 400m doses off at a warehouse in Germany.

that's simply not true, every project I've ever worked on the launch markets have been EU or USA or both. any smaller markets no matter how easy their regulatory approvals always follow on after the biggest markets are launched.
next in priority would be Japan, China, Brazil etc.