Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Coronavirus update

Welsh names are nowhere near as prominent in the list in this link as they were previously, but I notice there has been an increase in cases in Blaenau Gwent over the past few days while the figures are lower everywhere else.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/17/covid-cases-and-deaths-today-coronavirus-uk-map

You'd like to think that they can still come down a fair bit yet (I notice the R is below 1 now in Northern Ireland after a four week lockdown that has just been extended), but, after the debate as to whether a Welsh lockdown was necessary about a month ago, I think there may well turn out to be one about whether it was long enough?

[Monster munch]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54965126

Northern Ireland are letting limited fans back into grounds aswell Bob. Hopefully we won't be far behind, i would feel more safe and social distanced down the city with 2000 fans spread all over the ground than in the some of the pubs which are open.

[The Lone Gunman]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54976362

I firmly believe that the excess deaths figures are the clearest indicator of the effects of the pandemic. These figures don't rely on any diagnosis or certification, so I believe they present the truest picture of the situation.

The UK figure for 2020 now tops 70,000 and is still rising.

[Croesy Blue]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54976362

I firmly believe that the excess deaths figures are the clearest indicator of the effects of the pandemic. These figures don't rely on any diagnosis or certification, so I believe they present the truest picture of the situation.

The UK figure for 2020 now tops 70,000 and is still rising.

Yeah I agree it’s the most accurate metric. 70,000 people dying is tragic no matter how some people will try to write them off as people who are “old with underlying conditions”.

I can’t believe some people are still saying it’s just another flu and we shouldn’t be worrying.

[xsnaggle]

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And surely getting something from the USA or a lab in Oxford, the latter would be more straightforward? Sure I heard the Oxford one doesn’t have to be stored at super low temps either

Apparently the UXK Government has pre-purchased several potential vaccines, it just so happened that the latest one reported was not one of them.
The other thing to bear in mind is that the Oxford one costs about Ł2-3 a shot compared with the other 2 which are about Ł10+ a shot.
I realise money is not the overriding factor but that kind of disparity certainly helps if they all work.

[lisvaneblue]

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And surely getting something from the USA or a lab in Oxford, the latter would be more straightforward? Sure I heard the Oxford one doesn’t have to be stored at super low temps either

Pfizer will produce the vaccine for UK in Puurs, Belgium, just across the water literally. It will be transported in Pfizer designed specialist boxes containing up to 1,000 vials to ensure its kept at the right temperature. It'll probably be the first one we get.

The Oxford AZ one has yet to publish data so will probably be a little way behind Pfizer. The Moderna vaccine will not be supplied to UK until spring. The other vaccines UK have ordered are some way behind and just entering large scale clinical studies, so my guess we'll see them in the Summer.

[lisvaneblue]

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Apparently the UXK Government has pre-purchased several potential vaccines, it just so happened that the latest one reported was not one of them.
The other thing to bear in mind is that the Oxford one costs about Ł2-3 a shot compared with the other 2 which are about Ł10+ a shot.
I realise money is not the overriding factor but that kind of disparity certainly helps if they all work.

When you look at the cost of lockdowns and the cost of Covid to families and the NHS the price of the vaccine is incidental. The Oxford one will be supplied at cost, but don't forget the UK Gov gave Oxford/AZ many many millions to aid development. They gave Pfizer nothing

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Pfizer will produce the vaccine for UK in Puurs, Belgium, just across the water literally. It will be transported in Pfizer designed specialist boxes containing up to 1,000 vials to ensure its kept at the right temperature. It'll probably be the first one we get.

The Oxford AZ one has yet to publish data so will probably be a little way behind Pfizer. The Moderna vaccine will not be supplied to UK until spring. The other vaccines UK have ordered are some way behind and just entering large scale clinical studies, so my guess we'll see them in the Summer.

What potential impediments to the literally seamless transportation from Belgium to the UK could you envisage in the next couple of months?

If it gets fast tracked, what gets slower tracked?

[lisvaneblue]

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And surely getting something from the USA or a lab in Oxford, the latter would be more straightforward? Sure I heard the Oxford one doesn’t have to be stored at super low temps either

I mentioned that the Pfizer one will be made in Belgium. I forget to mention that the Oxford/AZ vaccine will be made in India, not in the UK.
Both companies have already produced millions of doses at commercial risk, so that they can supply just as soon as they get approval

[lisvaneblue]

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What potential impediments to the literally seamless transportation from Belgium to the UK could you envisage in the next couple of months?

If it gets fast tracked, what gets slower tracked?

I doubt Brexit will get in the way of this. Both UK and Eu Pharma have pushed for mutual recognition of medicines post Brexit, and it's a two way street with UK supplying many critical medicines to Europe. Pharmaceuticals are generally small ie don't take up much space, so transporting a lot of product isn't usually an issue. As a cold chain product the vaccine will probably be flown into UK.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I doubt Brexit will get in the way of this. Both UK and Eu Pharma have pushed for mutual recognition of medicines post Brexit, and it's a two way street with UK supplying many critical medicines to Europe. Pharmaceuticals are generally small ie don't take up much space, so transporting a lot of product isn't usually an issue. As a cold chain product the vaccine will probably be flown into UK.

Phew. One less thing to worry about. I guess that Ł100 m backstop to the backstop contract that Grant Shapps was promising will sort this out. The bit I struggled with was that if we are holding the EU hostage because we hold all the cards, when they inevitably fold, what bits of trade that we don't think as essential as life saving vaccines will we think are essential in a couple of months time?

[Elwood Blues]

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Welsh names are nowhere near as prominent in the list in this link as they were previously, but I notice there has been an increase in cases in Blaenau Gwent over the past few days while the figures are lower everywhere else.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/17/covid-cases-and-deaths-today-coronavirus-uk-map

You'd like to think that they can still come down a fair bit yet (I notice the R is below 1 now in Northern Ireland after a four week lockdown that has just been extended), but, after the debate as to whether a Welsh lockdown was necessary about a month ago, I think there may well turn out to be one about whether it was long enough?

I notice that Cardiff has gone up by 1 today. A tiny amount but it is the first rise for many days.

Hope it doesn't carry on tomorrow.

My concern was that they didn't keep the area lockdowns where necessary after the circuit break,

Merthyr for example remained very high straight after ( don't know where it is now) and of course people from Merthyr were able to go outside the area for the first time in weeks. Many may well have come to work in Cardiff, so it wiil be interesting to see the Cardiff toll again in a couple of weeks

[Heisenberg]

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Pfizer will produce the vaccine for UK in Puurs, Belgium, just across the water literally. It will be transported in Pfizer designed specialist boxes containing up to 1,000 vials to ensure its kept at the right temperature. It'll probably be the first one we get.

The Oxford AZ one has yet to publish data so will probably be a little way behind Pfizer. The Moderna vaccine will not be supplied to UK until spring. The other vaccines UK have ordered are some way behind and just entering large scale clinical studies, so my guess we'll see them in the Summer.

Is that like America is literally "just across the water"?

[goats]

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I mentioned that the Pfizer one will be made in Belgium. I forget to mention that the Oxford/AZ vaccine will be made in India, not in the UK.
Both companies have already produced millions of doses at commercial risk, so that they can supply just as soon as they get approval

No doubt if they’ve already produced millions, they will already be here in the UK though?

[cyril evans awaydays]

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No doubt if they’ve already produced millions, they will already be here in the UK though?

If you start a sentence with No Doubt , best end it with an exclamation rather than a question mark!