Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[lisvaneblue]

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I doubt whether all NHS staff will be first in the queue. There are many admin staff, for example, who don't work anywhere near the hospitals and many others who work nowhere near the COVID wards which are usually in separate areas and even different buildings to the main hospital. Isolating COVID patients from the rest of the hospital (in red zones) is usually well done so it would make no sense for all NHS staff to receive priority over the over 80s. Of course those on the front line should receive absolute priority but, as for the rest, I'm doubtful whether they will qualify to receive the jab in the first wave.

Daily Telegraph and Guardian are saying that NHS staff will come first. Seems odd as in the past the Government has always followed the science, which says elderly and vulnerable should be first.

NHS now has all the PPE it needs, has Nightingale hospitals, generally has young and healthy staff. Yet NHS staff will be offered the vaccine first.

This means they will be able to handle all the elderly that are admitted to hospital because they haven't been vaccinated.

[The Lone Gunman]

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R rate down to between 0-9 and 1 in the UK, but the rate in Wales is reported as being up to 1.4.

There's only one thing for it: Drakeford and Co are going to have to outlaw the sale of tea lights and toasters until the New Year.

[Vindec]

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Daily Telegraph and Guardian are saying that NHS staff will come first. Seems odd as in the past the Government has always followed the science, which says elderly and vulnerable should be first.

NHS now has all the PPE it needs, has Nightingale hospitals, generally has young and healthy staff. Yet NHS staff will be offered the vaccine first.

This means they will be able to handle all the elderly that are admitted to hospital because they haven't been vaccinated.

NHS staff working on the front line, such as my son, should receive priority because if they caught the virus and went sick there would be fewer staff to treat the patients. NHS admin staff dealing with pensions and other admin duties in separate buildings should receive lower priority than front line staff. That was the point made in my earlier post (which you quoted).

[delmbox]

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Daily Telegraph and Guardian are saying that NHS staff will come first. Seems odd as in the past the Government has always followed the science, which says elderly and vulnerable should be first.

NHS now has all the PPE it needs, has Nightingale hospitals, generally has young and healthy staff. Yet NHS staff will be offered the vaccine first.

This means they will be able to handle all the elderly that are admitted to hospital because they haven't been vaccinated.

The elderly and vulnerable can shield, the NHS staff have no choice but be exposed to it. Also "the NHS now has all the PPE it needs" seems like a pretty broad statement

[Croesy Blue]

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Also the disease gets worse with the higher viral load, no one is getting a higher viral load than NHS staff.

Being young and healthy isn’t the important if you’re getting a shit ton of the virus.

[lisvaneblue]

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NHS staff working on the front line, such as my son, should receive priority because if they caught the virus and went sick there would be fewer staff to treat the patients. NHS admin staff dealing with pensions and other admin duties in separate buildings should receive lower priority than front line staff. That was the point made in my earlier post (which you quoted).

Point is that your son working on the front line has the benefit of all the PPE etc that the NHS has. OK he may catch it despite all the protective equipment, and be off work for a while, but is unlikely to be seriously ill. However, an 80 year old will not have the level of protection your son has and may not survive.

If we vaccinated the age groups that are currently filling hospital beds professionals like your son would finally find that they have breathing space.

[Vindec]

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If we vaccinated the age groups that are currently filling hospital beds professionals like your son would finally find that they have breathing space.

Not if the professionals are off sick with the virus.

[lisvaneblue]

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The elderly and vulnerable can shield, the NHS staff have no choice but be exposed to it. Also "the NHS now has all the PPE it needs" seems like a pretty broad statement

A member of my family works on 'the front line' at UHW. Everything they do in the clinical setting is with the correct amount of protection, rigorous cleaning both personal and surroundings, regular monitoring and testing of staff etc.


Yet despite all this she caught it, not from the hospital, but from her daughter catching it in school.

Im what is generally referred to as elderly and my good lady is elderly and vulnerable. You mention shielding, we tried it in March when the outbreak started. We would have starved if we'd depended solely on supermarket deliveries. We just get on with life and have given up on house parties and raves.
And Im not hinting that I should be front of the queue for a vaccine, but to offer it to NHS staff first, for what appears to be logistical reasons ( the need for 'vaccine hubs') seems stupid when we all know that the people filling hospital beds and putting pressure on the NHS are 60years plus and they should be sorted first

[lisvaneblue]

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Not if the professionals are off sick with the virus.

The problem with the NHS is that it's getting overloaded with elderly people catching Covid and needing hospital care.

That needs to be addressed first.

[Vindec]

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The problem with the NHS is that it's getting overloaded with elderly people catching Covid and needing hospital care.

That needs to be addressed first.

So we seem to agree that NHS staff not on the front line such as Admin staff shouldn't receive priority. Where we differ is that I think staff on the front line should receive priority and you think the elderly should be first in the queue. The elderly had the opportunity to prevent getting the virus whereas health professionals working on the front line are required to do their job. They have no choice. Additionally the NHS has a duty of care particularly to their front line staff. We are not going to agree.

[Croesy Blue]

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I think it’s a logistical thing too the first vaccine is the Pfizer one that can only be moved safely a couple of times and has to be stored at a lower temperature so it makes sense to give it to people already in the hospitals.

I imagine the Oxford one will be one or two weeks behind and that’ll be given to care homes and over 80s.

[delmbox]

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You mention shielding, we tried it in March when the outbreak started.

You were banging on about wanting to drive to Brecon to get meat in March

[xsnaggle]

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You were banging on about wanting to drive to Brecon to get meat in March

If he'd gone then he might not have to go now and spread it even more.

[lisvaneblue]

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So we seem to agree that NHS staff not on the front line such as Admin staff shouldn't receive priority. Where we differ is that I think staff on the front line should receive priority and you think the elderly should be first in the queue. The elderly had the opportunity to prevent getting the virus whereas health professionals working on the front line are required to do their job. They have no choice. Additionally the NHS has a duty of care particularly to their front line staff. We are not going to agree.

I no longer hear of NHS staff being off sick with Covid now that PPE shortage is sorted. However the news frequently says that staff are off with stress and exhaustion, and understandably so. That will only change when the patients flow into hospitals eases

[lisvaneblue]

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If he'd gone then he might not have to go now and spread it even more.

Was there for three nights last week. Have I mentioned that the butchers there do great Welsh meat?