Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Croesy Blue]

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People need to realise this being a "health issue" is a result of the failures not the cause of it.

I can't imagine being so tribal about politics that I'd want to defend the current government.

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There it is. It's a health issue, apparently.

Not an education issue. Not a welfare issue. It's just a health issue.

Called it.

its very much a health issue. To suggest its caused by going to school or because you receive tax credits is outright bizarre.

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It's 9.30 and you're clearly up for being argumentative and contrary today.

I'll humour you though...

Because they obviously effect health policy, you clart.

They resulted in spikes in cases, lack of safety equipment for NHS staff, thousands of deaths in care homes and the failed track and trace (aka Servo track and trace) meant thousands of people not being notified that they should isolate.

If you think they don't have any implication on health policy... Actually, we know that you know the truth but will be an argumentative tit for the sake of it.

Textbook Feedy.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm merely pointing out that the responsibility for all of that in Wales is with the Welsh government. That's the bit you can't (or don't want to) grasp.

[Heisenberg]

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its very much a health issue. To suggest its caused by going to school or because you receive tax credits is outright bizarre.

I'll bite.

If it's just a health issue, why aren't PHE and the NHS in charge of making all of the decisions regarding the pandemic?

[Croesy Blue]

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its very much a health issue. To suggest its caused by going to school or because you receive tax credits is outright bizarre.

It's become a health issue due to all the other failures. There is no argument to be had with that.

Why have so many other island nations managed to stop it becomming "very much a health issue"?

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Well, health is a devolved matter until the WAG wants to have a firebreak lockdown at a time when the UK, not English, Government is defying Sage advice by not having one and, furthermore,not extending the furlough scheme to allow the WAG to have the early autumn lockdown they wanted, so there is a clear example of Welsh, apparently devolved, health policy being dictated by Uk Government financial policy.
You Johnson apologists want it both ways, you bang on about the Union and how we’re all one country, but, as soon as you want to defend the Conservative and Unionist party, you talk as if there is no need for the independence parties in Scotland and Wales because those countries are already separate entities!

Johnson's a Tory **** and has handled the pandemic in England pretty poorly. That does not excuse Mark Drakeford and his shit show in Wales.

you even say yourself that Drakeford enacted our own firebreak lockdown, so why was Drakeford sat on his arse doing nothing when Johnson wasn't listening to Sage advice. Why didn't Drakeford act? We could have had a lockdown but Drakeford chose not to.

[lardy]

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its very much a health issue. To suggest its caused by going to school or because you receive tax credits is outright bizarre.

Imagine being so compelled to defend the Tories that you come out with this.

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I'll bite.

If it's just a health issue, why aren't PHE and the NHS in charge of making all of the decisions regarding the pandemic?

I'm pretty sure the DHSS dictates the policy that we are seeing, it is why so many in England quite correctly criticise Matt Hancock

[Heisenberg]

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I'm not disagreeing, I'm merely pointing out that the responsibility for all of that in Wales is with the Welsh government. That's the bit you can't (or don't want to) grasp.

Ummm... Who is in charge of track and trace? PPE? "Putting a protective ring around care homes"? Delaying the initial lockdown? Defending high profile rule breakers and destroying public trust? Deciding whether Cheltenham festival and other high profile sporting events could go ahead?

Nothing devolved in that lot.

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No one actually uses our 'largest airport'

Seriously, closing Heathrow and Gatwick would have a much greater impact on Wales' virus figures than closing Cardiff.

I use it, it was open an awful lot across the summer and into autumn - I used to fly from their 3 or 4 times a week.

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Imagine being so compelled to defend the Tories that you come out with this.

I'm not defending the Tories, I can't see how Covid19 can be considered an education or welfare issue.

[Heisenberg]

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I'm pretty sure the DHSS dictates the policy that we are seeing, it is why so many in England quite correctly criticise Matt Hancock

The pandemic response is dictated by DHSS policy...

Is that your final answer?

[Croesy Blue]

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I use it, it was open an awful lot across the summer and into autumn - I used to fly from their 3 or 4 times a week.

What the **** has that got to do with anything

Well done on taking some flights mate

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Ummm... Who is in charge of track and trace? PPE? "Putting a protective ring around care homes"? Delaying the initial lockdown? Defending high profile rule breakers and destroying public trust? Deciding whether Cheltenham festival and other high profile sporting events could go ahead?

Nothing devolved in that lot.

Why couldn't WG develop their own track and trace app? Everything else you mention was also within WG's power, if they wished.

[Heisenberg]

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I'm not defending the Tories, I can't see how Covid19 can be considered an education or welfare issue.

Are your kids in school today?