Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[cyril evans awaydays]

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What do you define as “far better”?

I’ve not even got a horse in the race but looking at that link wales have been doing significantly better than England since the 27th of January.

Unless you’ve never complained about wales being worse than England you can’t say they aren’t doing far better now.

It looks about 15% better to me

[Croesy Blue]

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It looks about 15% better to me

Shit everyone knows that’s only much better

Slightly better >5%
Much better >10%
Far better >16%!

[Hilts]

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When I was talking about our schools being able to go back sooner as its better in Wales than England I was referring our infection rate.

By mid February we will likely be under 100/100000.

England are not as well positioned.

Both are doing a great rollout with the vaccines.

Initially in Tier 4 schools could open then things got worse. Wales figures could be at Tier 2 levels in a few weeks so while we should be cautious theres an argument that we can start opening before most places in England as they look a few weeks maybe behind in getting infection rates down.

[Hilts]

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England infection rates.

https://www-walesonline-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/infection-rates-england-worst-coronavirus-19764619.amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16124656929716&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.walesonline.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-news%2Finfection-rates-england-worst-coronavirus-19764619

[cyril evans awaydays]

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England infection rates.

https://www-walesonline-co-uk.cdn.am...virus-19764619

The highest current South Wales County, Carmarthen, with a 7 day rate of 147.3 would be in the lowest 30 of the 315 English Counties by comparison.

[Hilts]

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Im sure ive read Drakeford saying they may look at a UK route for coming out of lockdown. Which if he does his tier system will be out of the window.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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When I was talking about our schools being able to go back sooner as its better in Wales than England I was referring our infection rate.

By mid February we will likely be under 100/100000.

England are not as well positioned.

Both are doing a great rollout with the vaccines.

Initially in Tier 4 schools could open then things got worse. Wales figures could be at Tier 2 levels in a few weeks so while we should be cautious theres an argument that we can start opening before most places in England as they look a few weeks maybe behind in getting infection rates down.

I think schools will be phased back in after half term.

I can see us being slower to open up the rest and fall into line with England as we are under no pressure with the furlough scheme if it was Wales in a worse position than England.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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France and Spain which have both had strict lockdowns throughout the winter months have today seen higher new cases than the UK. Spain has actually seen cases rise continuously since early summer. There are times when I get the impression that despite the confident and knowledgeable -looking scientists delivering their verdicts on a daily basis across Europe, they really don't have much of an idea how to stop it. Thank God for vaccinations..

[Gofer Blue]

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I have tried hard not to criticise the government over their handling of the pandemic on the grounds that it is an unscripted and unprecedented situation but the quarantining of visitors, or rather lack of, is a matter that cannot go unchallenged. Finally, 50 days after the new COVID virus variant arrived, HM Gov has decided to try the hotel quarantine scheme:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55935875

The UK is an island for heaven's sake so surely the easiest to isolate?

Also who the heck are these 20,000+ people who arrive here EVERY DAY apparently? I thought it was a "small number" according to Boris, so insignificant in fact that quarantining them would make no difference! What a joke.

[xsnaggle]

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I have tried hard not to criticise the government over their handling of the pandemic on the grounds that it is an unscripted and unprecedented situation but the quarantining of visitors, or rather lack of, is a matter that cannot go unchallenged. Finally, 50 days after the new COVID virus variant arrived, HM Gov has decided to try the hotel quarantine scheme:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55935875

The UK is an island for heaven's sake so surely the easiest to isolate?

Also who the heck are these 20,000+ people who arrive here EVERY DAY apparently? I thought it was a "small number" according to Boris, so insignificant in fact that quarantining them would make no difference! What a joke.

Something like 3/4 of the people who arrive in Heathrow every nomal day never leave the airport. When you think that there is a plane landing about every minute that's an awful lot of people coming into contact with cabin crews and airport staff but not staying to be quarantined. By comparison the 1/4 that does stay is a small number

[jon1959]

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Something like 3/4 of the people who arrive in Heathrow every nomal day never leave the airport. When you think that there is a plane landing about every minute that's an awful lot of people coming into contact with cabin crews and airport staff but not staying to be quarantined. By comparison the 1/4 that does stay is a small number

By comparison to the population of the UK the 21,000 that leave ports and airports every day to move around the country is an even smaller number. But by comparison to the number of people who can fit into a Mini Metro it is a massive number! This numbers and comparisons game is right good!

Transiting airline passengers is a different issue. The numbers may be bigger (if you say so) but how does that diminish the threat associated with porous borders 11 months after the pandemic started?

[Gofer Blue]

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Something like 3/4 of the people who arrive in Heathrow every nomal day never leave the airport. When you think that there is a plane landing about every minute that's an awful lot of people coming into contact with cabin crews and airport staff but not staying to be quarantined. By comparison the 1/4 that does stay is a small number

3/4 of people don't leave the airport - can you provide a reference for that please? Assuming you are correct then, I would disagree that 5000 people a day is a small number! That'll only be a mere 175,000 then since January 1st.

Just watched Oliver Dowden on Question Time giving us the usual nonsense about the UK having real draconian measures already in place - you're having a laugh mate.

[Elwood Blues]

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What do you define as “far better”?

I’ve not even got a horse in the race but looking at that link wales have been doing significantly better than England since the 27th of January.

Unless you’ve never complained about wales being worse than England you can’t say they aren’t doing far better now.

Yes I am not Drakeford's biggest fan but they are doing much better now.

Although that is probably down to Gethin rather than Drakeford.

[Croesy Blue]

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France and Spain which have both had strict lockdowns throughout the winter months have today seen higher new cases than the UK. Spain has actually seen cases rise continuously since early summer. There are times when I get the impression that despite the confident and knowledgeable -looking scientists delivering their verdicts on a daily basis across Europe, they really don't have much of an idea how to stop it. Thank God for vaccinations..

France and Spain haven’t had strict full lockdowns at all, there is currently a debate in France about whether they do need a full lockdown like the U.K. has had. They’ve both had curfews but in France you are still able to travel to other regions.

Both have had schools open too.

You only have to look at the numbers in the U.K. since Christmas to see the effect a full lockdown has.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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3/4 of people don't leave the airport - can you provide a reference for that please? Assuming you are correct then, I would disagree that 5000 people a day is a small number! That'll only be a mere 175,000 then since January 1st.

Just watched Oliver Dowden on Question Time giving us the usual nonsense about the UK having real draconian measures already in place - you're having a laugh mate.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/303920/flight-transfers-passengers-terminating-at-heathrow-airport-uk/

Two thirds leave the airport. Of those in transit I would presume a reasonable percentage end up at a UK regional airport as their final destination.