Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

[Dorcus]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

All he has to fear is me inviting myself round. Gammon and eggs are probably my favourite pub meal. Esp with thick chunky chips. The best places will let me swap the pineapple for a second egg too

I think we've all got a weakness for gammon. It's no good for you but boy does it taste good!

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I think we've all got a weakness for gammon. It's no good for you but boy does it taste good!

i heard that many pubs and restaurants now call it Cured Ham Hock on their menus because of the risk of being accused of racism. PC gone mad!

[life on mars]

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"this bunch" who are are stereotyping here and judging them all based on the supposed behaviour of one?

This happens in your party too. In fact entire councils have been involved in that. I don't remember the thread on this. Should all Labour councils be found guilty as a result?

https://www.politicshome.com/news/ar...ded-12m-in-tax

You wont get that ..

[life on mars]

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i heard that many pubs and restaurants now call it Cured Ham Hock on their menus because of the risk of being accused of racism. PC gone mad!

Even the word Field is under attack Uni in California says the term ‘field work’ as it may have negative connotations for descendants of slavery ...

[Claude Blue]

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Obviously your point was not a defence of Zahawi as, until this post, you never made one. Simply pointed somewhere else. Each time you do it you seem to be casting your net wider. This time to include five politicians (five!) who were jailed as a result of the 2009 Parliamentary Expenses scandal. Ironically based on a decision of the then Director of Public Prosecutions, Sir Keir Starmer. Perhaps you could mention John Stonehouse next if you want to amplify your point.

I happen to agree that you can't damn a whole party because of the actions of some. Starmer may not be the flavour of the month in the Circle Jerk Group (as you so elegantly put it) but he has run a tight ship as far as MPs behaviour is concerned.

There is a reasonable contrast on how the various Conservative Governments in this Parliament have treated its miscreants, through Patterson and Pincher and the others under Parliamentary scrutiny where whips were suddenly restored just before important votes.

I can't recall anyone defending Onasanya or Webbe, the two recent examples of Labour MPs doing appalling things but it was good of you to recognise that chastising corruption in politics should be party neutral.

Sadly it's the classic tactic, one particularly used by Tory supporters like James and his mates on here.

They deliberately muddy the waters to make it seem that all parties are the same hence deflecting away from the behaviour of Zahawi, Patterson, Pincher, Sunak, et al. Not to mention the leader of the pack of miscreants himself, one Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

[az city]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

My point seems to have gone over your heads. It's not a defence of Nadhim Zahawi it is a defence of logic. Because he has supposedly done something wrong that doesn't mean all Tories (or all men or all Muslims or all English people etc) should be tarred with that brush.

Incidentally, he has paid the tax and as the Independent states here: "There is no suggestion of any wrongdoing by Mr Zahawi"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nadhim-zahawi-tax-hmrc-investigation-b2262565.html

I cited the story from 2017 because it refers to tax avoidance. There are more recent examples and many examples of poor or illegal politician behaviour from all parties.

Some of you set yourselves us as moral arbiters but if that's the case you would raise these issues irrespective of the party involved. But you never do.

This article says there's been 7 (Seven!) Labour Maps jailed in ten years

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1517721/andrew-marr-keir-starmer-claudia-webb-seven-labour-mps-jail-sentence-tory-sleaze-vn

Only a fool would mean that means all Labour MPs are guilty however, yet Ninian Opinion says that the Nahim Zahawi story proves 'this bunch' are the 'dregs of society'. If so then can we consider the party with 7 jailed MPs also dregs? Or shall we actuslly be less knee jerk about it?

It's just boring more than anything. If you are interested in corruption in politics then you are interested in it irrespective of parties.

If you just want CCMB to be a party political circle jerk can't you just swap eachothers numbers and set up a WhatsApp group? Just an idea.

Jimbo

Surely, you're not serious? You don't think the current bunch of Tories are a bunch of duplicitous tosspots? The very fact they have engineered Brexit (which is slowly throttling GB) makes them all thus.

[JamesWales]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Jimbo

Surely, you're not serious? You don't think the current bunch of Tories are a bunch of duplicitous tosspots? The very fact they have engineered Brexit (which is slowly throttling GB) makes them all thus.

Tbf, 'throttling' is quite moderate language for your goodself. That troublesome knee of yours must have received some lubrication?

Your opinion is always valuable but I think I'll take the latest actual real data between us and our major peers.

Unemployment
UK 3.7%
Germany 5.5%
EU 6%
France 7.3%

Annual GDP growth:
EU 2.5%
UK 1.9%
Germany 1.3%
France 1%

Inflation Rate:
France 5.9%
Germany 8.6%
UK 10.7%
EU 11.1%

Annual Wage growth:
UK 6.1%
EU 2.8%
France 1.1%
Germany -4.4%

Main stock market
UK +2.71% Year on year
France -4.67% Year on year
Germany -7.6% Year on year

Source: www.tradingeconomics.com

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Tbf, 'throttling' is quite moderate language for your goodself. That troublesome knee of yours must have received some lubrication?

Your opinion is always valuable but I think I'll take the latest actual real data between us and our major peers.

Unemployment
UK 3.7%
Germany 5.5%
EU 6%
France 7.3%

Annual GDP growth:
EU 2.5%
UK 1.9%
Germany 1.3%
France 1%

Inflation Rate:
France 5.9%
Germany 8.6%
UK 10.7%
EU 11.1%

Annual Wage growth:
UK 6.1%
EU 2.8%
France 1.1%
Germany -4.4%

Main stock market
UK +2.71% Year on year
France -4.67% Year on year
Germany -7.6% Year on year

Source: www.tradingeconomics.com

I guess you pay your money and take your chance when it comes to statistics.

This stuff from the House of Commons Library shows that at Q3 2022 the UK is the only G7 country yet to return to the level of GDP pre-pandemic. As the TradingEconomics stuff you didn't post shows the UK has the highest negative growth in its latest calculation. Also future growth forecasts show the UK as one of or the weakest. There may be a simple explanation why the UK lags behind but you may not wish to contemplate it.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/

The issue is likely to become starker going forward. Major trading blocs like the US and the EU are becoming more insular. Biden is quietly more economically MAGA than Trump with his Inflation Reduction Act and one on semi-conductors introducing subsidies for establishing or bringing production back onshore. The EU is likely to respond by following suite and protecting its single internal market.

Where this places the Global Britain strategy which staked the Brexit pot on wider world trade deals which, by the OBR trade forecast say Brexit will result in the UK’s trade intensity being 15% lower in the long run than if the UK had remained in the EU is open to conjecture.

Perhaps those cheaper New Zealand lamb chops will make it all worthwhile.

[Eric Cartman]

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Are we able to have a thread about a topic without people spamming out of context irrelevant stats.

Thoughts on Zahawi? Never trusted his backstory/motivation to get into politics but he is clearly a big hitter in the party as he has survived the recent party shape-shifting.

The main point for me is yet again we see how rich and poor are treated differently, 'oh don't worry just pay it back' doesn't seem to apply across the board.

[Canton Kev]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Tbf, 'throttling' is quite moderate language for your goodself. That troublesome knee of yours must have received some lubrication?

Your opinion is always valuable but I think I'll take the latest actual real data between us and our major peers.

Unemployment
UK 3.7%
Germany 5.5%
EU 6%
France 7.3%

Annual GDP growth:
EU 2.5%
UK 1.9%
Germany 1.3%
France 1%

Inflation Rate:
France 5.9%
Germany 8.6%
UK 10.7%
EU 11.1%

Annual Wage growth:
UK 6.1%
EU 2.8%
France 1.1%
Germany -4.4%

Main stock market
UK +2.71% Year on year
France -4.67% Year on year
Germany -7.6% Year on year

Source: www.tradingeconomics.com

That's just 5 random metrics to support your argument. I'm sure I could find 20 other things that show the UK is doing worse than the EU. Likewise you could probably find another 15 in your favour. How much of that stuff is actually relevant to your average person?

Comparing our unemployment rates doesn't show anything about whether Brexit has been good or bad. What were the unemployment rates 5 years ago? 10? 20? etc. It's only relevant if we can see how they compare before and after Brexit and if we know how the different countries measure unemployment. You're smart enough to know this, so the fact you've included it makes it look like you're purposely cherry picking misleading facts.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

The unemployment rate in the UK peaked in 2011 and decreased from 2011 to 2019 before it started rising again. The biggest decrease in unemployment was 2013-2014 and then 2014-2015. So how does Brexit factor into being a positive for the unemployment rate?

I can categorically say that my life and work have been negatively impacted by Brexit. Where I work imports a lot of stock from the EU and it has become more expensive, takes longer and is harder to do now.... But at least are stocks are up 2.71%

I'm not the only one noticing the impacts of Brexit either. If you look at polling, the public opinion about staying out or re-joining, it has shifted quite dramatically over the last 18 months. Mid 2021 support for Leave/Stay out was 54%. Now it's down to 43%. I can guarantee you people aren't making their opinions based on stock prices and GDP growth.

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[the other bob wilson]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Are we able to have a thread about a topic without people spamming out of context irrelevant stats.

Thoughts on Zahawi? Never trusted his backstory/motivation to get into politics but he is clearly a big hitter in the party as he has survived the recent party shape-shifting.

The main point for me is yet again we see how rich and poor are treated differently, 'oh don't worry just pay it back' doesn't seem to apply across the board.

A former Chancellor who doesn’t pay his taxes - only under the Johnson 2019 Government . The best/worst thing about the whole affair is that the media are trying to make out that we should be grateful to him for agreeing to pay up. Apparently the punishment for failing to declare taxable income like Zahawi did should be up to 200 per cent of the amount fiddled or even a prison sentence, but not this time - in this case we should be saying thank you to the offender apparently.

[Dorcus]

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A former Chancellor who doesn’t pay his taxes - only under the Johnson 2019 Government . The best/worst thing about the whole affair is that the media are trying to make out that we should be grateful to him for agreeing to pay up. Apparently the punishment for failing to declare taxable income like Zahawi did should be up to 200 per cent of the amount fiddled or even a prison sentence, but not this time - in this case we should be saying thank you to the offender apparently.

He's rich; there's always a law for them b******s and one for people of limited means.

[the other bob wilson]

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I think we've all got a weakness for gammon. It's no good for you but boy does it taste good!

Never liked it or Sunday roast ham - far too salty for me, yet I’ll eat ham in a sandwich and enjoy it :facepalm:

[Gofer Blue]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

A former Chancellor who doesn’t pay his taxes - only under the Johnson 2019 Government . The best/worst thing about the whole affair is that the media are trying to make out that we should be grateful to him for agreeing to pay up. Apparently the punishment for failing to declare taxable income like Zahawi did should be up to 200 per cent of the amount fiddled or even a prison sentence, but not this time - in this case we should be saying thank you to the offender apparently.

Ah but you're forgetting we've been told he hasn't done anything wrong

[JamesWales]

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That's just 5 random metrics to support your argument. I'm sure I could find 20 other things that show the UK is doing worse than the EU. Likewise you could probably find another 15 in your favour. How much of that stuff is actually relevant to your average person?

Comparing our unemployment rates doesn't show anything about whether Brexit has been good or bad. What were the unemployment rates 5 years ago? 10? 20? etc. It's only relevant if we can see how they compare before and after Brexit and if we know how the different countries measure unemployment. You're smart enough to know this, so the fact you've included it makes it look like you're purposely cherry picking misleading facts.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/GBR/united-kingdom/unemployment-rate

The unemployment rate in the UK peaked in 2011 and decreased from 2011 to 2019 before it started rising again. The biggest decrease in unemployment was 2013-2014 and then 2014-2015. So how does Brexit factor into being a positive for the unemployment rate?

I can categorically say that my life and work have been negatively impacted by Brexit. Where I work imports a lot of stock from the EU and it has become more expensive, takes longer and is harder to do now.... But at least are stocks are up 2.71%

I'm not the only one noticing the impacts of Brexit either. If you look at polling, the public opinion about staying out or re-joining, it has shifted quite dramatically over the last 18 months. Mid 2021 support for Leave/Stay out was 54%. Now it's down to 43%. I can guarantee you people aren't making their opinions based on stock prices and GDP growth.

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They aren't five random measurements. They are five absolutely critical measurements of a nations economic success. Can you think of any more important?

You are right there are dozens of other statistics, some would be favourable, others not. Most would ultimately feed into those above though

My point is that this isn't a binary thing of sunlit uplands and mortal disasters. It's complex.

The reality though is there for you to see and I don't think the media are very good at reporting it at all which does partly explain the graph you show.