Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

They aren't five random measurements. They are five absolutely critical measurements of a nations economic success. Can you think of any more important?

You are right there are dozens of other statistics, some would be favourable, others not. Most would ultimately feed into those above though

My point is that this isn't a binary thing of sunlit uplands and mortal disasters. It's complex.

The reality though is there for you to see and I don't think the media are very good at reporting it at all which does partly explain the graph you show.

They don't actually tell you anything though.

Take wages:

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link because image is tiny - https://www.ft.com/content/ef265420-...8-c951baa68945

Does that look like success to you?

If you were to look at wages in the UK vs Germany for instance. You would probably draw the conclusion that they are a bit better in Germany. The reality is that for higher earners they are roughly the same, but for lower earners they are drastically worse, nuance and detail matters.

[JamesWales]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

They don't actually tell you anything though.

Take wages:

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link because image is tiny - https://www.ft.com/content/ef265420-...8-c951baa68945

Does that look like success to you?

If you were to look at wages in the UK vs Germany for instance. You would probably draw the conclusion that they are a bit better in Germany. The reality is that for higher earners they are roughly the same, but for lower earners they are drastically worse, nuance and detail matters.

Can't really read that data although I'll be the first to admit the UK is one of the more unequal places, skewed by West London on particular.

It's not particularly sensible to dismiss the latest data on GDP, unemployment, wages, inflation or the stock market though. These are pretty key pieces of data and if they show a mixed picture (which they do) then let's say that and cut down on the hyperbole about being inside or outside the EU being a panacea or a disaster because neither is true.

[ninian opinian]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Can't really read that data although I'll be the first to admit the UK is one of the more unequal places, skewed by West London on particular.

It's not particularly sensible to dismiss the latest data on GDP, unemployment, wages, inflation or the stock market though. These are pretty key pieces of data and if they show a mixed picture (which they do) then let's say that and cut down on the hyperbole about being inside or outside the EU being a panacea or a disaster because neither is true.

Dear God alive man, this topic was started to throw light on a multi millionaire tax evader who happened to be a member of your beloved Tory party. FFS he was even recently made chancellor and accepted the post whilst knowingly being investigated by HMRC. No one in their right mind would support these actions. If he’s evaded tax in this way, what kind of man is he, should he be in the position of power and what else has he got away with? He should be sacked immediately and an internal investigation should be undertaken.

[superfeathers]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Dear God alive man, this topic was started to throw light on a multi millionaire tax evader who happened to be a member of your beloved Tory party. FFS he was even recently made chancellor and accepted the post whilst knowingly being investigated by HMRC. No one in their right mind would support these actions. If he’s evaded tax in this way, what kind of man is he, should he be in the position of power and what else has he got away with? He should be sacked immediately and an internal investigation should be undertaken.

Hmm
So we've got a recent former chancellor evading tax (and not for the first time), and a current PM/former chancellor whos wife wasn't paying tax.
And still we have lots of people defending them to the death, and still people wonder why they all get tarred with the same brush.

I've never felt like it before but I'm struggling to think of one of them I'd trust

[lardy]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Dear God alive man, this topic was started to throw light on a multi millionaire tax evader who happened to be a member of your beloved Tory party. FFS he was even recently made chancellor and accepted the post whilst knowingly being investigated by HMRC. No one in their right mind would support these actions. If he’s evaded tax in this way, what kind of man is he, should he be in the position of power and what else has he got away with? He should be sacked immediately and an internal investigation should be undertaken.

And for balance, because they're all the same, someone from Labour once claimed 58p too much on their expenses.

[JamesWales]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Dear God alive man, this topic was started to throw light on a multi millionaire tax evader who happened to be a member of your beloved Tory party. FFS he was even recently made chancellor and accepted the post whilst knowingly being investigated by HMRC. No one in their right mind would support these actions. If he’s evaded tax in this way, what kind of man is he, should he be in the position of power and what else has he got away with? He should be sacked immediately and an internal investigation should be undertaken.

Your language is strong and as usual reserved for only one side but no one is defending him.

I criticised you because you used this individual and cited it as a reason for them all being the "dregs of society". With Nadhim Zahawi you didn't clarify who 'this bunch' are but I guess you meant the conservatives?

Pretty irrational and pretty inconsistent in your damnation as morality seems to be determined not on the issue but on the colour of the rosette for you.

[ninian opinian]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Your language is strong and as usual reserved for only one side but no one is defending him.

I criticised you because you used this individual and cited it as a reason for them all being the "dregs of society". With Nadhim Zahawi you didn't clarify who 'this bunch' are but I guess you meant the conservatives?

Pretty irrational and pretty inconsistent in your damnation as morality seems to be determined not on the issue but on the colour of the rosette for you.

The colour of the rosette of the party currently in power is Tory blue. They are the most corrupt government in our history. Just call them out.

[JamesWales]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

The colour of the rosette of the party currently in power is Tory blue. They are the most corrupt government in our history. Just call them out.

Any politician who has broken the law absolutely should be called out for it. There's no question about it and no dispute from me on any of that.

But using any individual indiscretion and then applying it to an entire group, whilst ignoring indescretion elsewhere whilst also using often inflammatory language..I won't do that.

[az city]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Your language is strong and as usual reserved for only one side but no one is defending him.

I criticised you because you used this individual and cited it as a reason for them all being the "dregs of society". With Nadhim Zahawi you didn't clarify who 'this bunch' are but I guess you meant the conservatives?

Pretty irrational and pretty inconsistent in your damnation as morality seems to be determined not on the issue but on the colour of the rosette for you.

Cyclops ... name a current Tory who you deem to hold the moral high ground. Sunak, Braverman, Coco the clown Johnson, Truss ... they are all the same selfish, corrupt and uncaring.

[az city]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Can't really read that data although I'll be the first to admit the UK is one of the more unequal places, skewed by West London on particular.

It's not particularly sensible to dismiss the latest data on GDP, unemployment, wages, inflation or the stock market though. These are pretty key pieces of data and if they show a mixed picture (which they do) then let's say that and cut down on the hyperbole about being inside or outside the EU being a panacea or a disaster because neither is true.

Do tell us what expertise you have in naming the most important statistics to use to assess the health of the UK economy. I don't think you've ever revealed this despite me asking several times. You're behaving like a know-it-all cyclops based on what? We deserve to know. Is it the same level as your mate Andrew Bridgen?

[JamesWales]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Cyclops 😂 That did make me laugh and not just for the irony!

I'm willing to point out that all parties have wrong uns. Others seemingly aren't.

"All the same" eh AZ? You'll be chanting "Lock her up!" before you know it.

Who is the Cyclops here?

[JamesWales]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

Do tell us what expertise you have in naming the most important statistics to use to assess the health of the UK economy. I don't think you've ever revealed this despite me asking several times. You're behaving like a know-it-all cyclops based on what? We deserve to know. Is it the same level as your mate Andrew Bridgen?

AZ, I would suggest they are:

Annual GDP, inflation, unemployment, wage growth, interest rates, stock market performance, value of currency, current account..things like that. Most other things will ultimately feed into one or more of those and these are the things that generally speaking will impact people's lives.

Happy for you to suggest others. In fact I've been asking you to suggest that for a good year now so that you can actually make a prediction we can hold you to. I'm more than happy to do that!

[az city]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

AZ, I would suggest they are:

Annual GDP, inflation, unemployment, wage growth, interest rates, stock market performance, value of currency, current account..things like that. Most other things will ultimately feed into one or more of those and these are the things that generally speaking will impact people's lives.

Happy for you to suggest others. In fact I've been asking you to suggest that for a good year now so that you can actually make a prediction we can hold you to. I'm more than happy to do that!

You've failed to answer the question just like Sunak when challenged on Zahawi. What expertise do you have in this? Your obfuscation suggests it's actually NONE. If you state your expertise, I'll reveal mine.

[JamesWales]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

You've failed to answer the question just like Sunak when challenged on Zahawi. What expertise do you have in this? Your obfuscation suggests it's actually NONE. If you state your expertise, I'll reveal mine.

God you are such an arrogant arse 😂.

We've discussed this on Private Messages AZ as you well know.

Now stop twisting things to support a certain political party and debate facts. I've presented numerous ones on here and suggested the most important indicators. Why don't you clamber off the gilded horse for five minutes and do the same?

You never, ever, ever put your money where your mouth is. Spout some theory, dish out a few insults and that's it. Why is that? Do you now claim that GDP, unemployment, stock markets, inflation and the like are not important? Incredible if so.

[az city]

Re: Nadhim Zahawi Tax avoidance

God you are such an arrogant arse 😂.

We've discussed this on Private Messages AZ as you well know.

Now stop twisting things to support a certain political party and debate facts. I've presented numerous ones on here and suggested the most important indicators. Why don't you clamber off the gilded horse for five minutes and do the same?

You never, ever, ever put your money where your mouth is. Spout some theory, dish out a few insults and that's it. Why is that? Do you now claim that GDP, unemployment, stock markets, inflation and the like are not important? Incredible if so.

Laughable, take a look in the mirror. You are constantly claiming expertise over things you actually only have a passing knowledge of. You're a busted flush. We already know you don't like experts - but you think you are one.

Answer on the expertise question or shut up.

(Not that it's relevant but I answered your desire for predictions: Brexit will make GB (note not NI) worse off FOREVER. Anyone with an iota of sense will tell you that. Even ardent Brexiters are now admitting it's true. What more do you want in terms of a prediction exactly?)