Palestine Israel

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Some really interesting points made here. This conflict is thousands of years old and there is no simple solution.

The arabs reached the levant in the 8th century, following the muslim conquest.

It just seems that it suits the agendas of certain people on both sides for this situation to carry on as it is, but this is one of those issues that the world can no longer turn its back on.

Both peoples have historically suffered hideous attempts to destroy them. Isn’t it time that the powers that be tried to sort this mess out, for the sake of the people they serve?

the arabs have invaded israel twice in the past 60 years, and twice have had their arses handed to them on a plate. At some point they will learn not to **** with the IDF

Unfortunately, the people in power have brainwashed the people they serve, stirring up hatred and ignorance.

it is a curious feature of this whole situation that Israel doesn't bomb the Fatah controlled west bank but does feel the need to retaliate against the Hamas controlled Gaza strip.

Even the Egyptians have little time for Hamas.

This indicates where the problem is.

[life on mars]

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Iran are the backers of Hamas.Hamas's aim is to destroy Israel and create an islamic republic,so there is no way Israel can bring them to the negotiating table.

As Hamas are mainly in Gaza, and the more friendly opposition Fatah party are in West Bank, why not declare Gaza as a satellite aggressive state allow peaceful Palestinians to resettle in the West Bank give them a better standard of living and then rout out the bad eggs firing these rockets as they will never want peace for any reason at any time , Hamas even hate each other the current leader in 2016 wanted a peaceful discussions not rockets.. However as in most parties the rogue elements want greater aggression and a take over of the leadership .

[goats]

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I guess neither side are willing to concede anything now after hating each other, and seeing so much carnage for so long. It’s hard to see how it will ever end.....

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The arabs reached the levant in the 8th century, following the muslim conquest.

the arabs have invaded israel twice in the past 60 years, and twice have had their arses handed to them on a plate. At some point they will learn not to **** with the IDF

it is a curious feature of this whole situation that Israel doesn't bomb the Fatah controlled west bank but does feel the need to retaliate against the Hamas controlled Gaza strip.

Even the Egyptians have little time for Hamas.

This indicates where the problem is.

FFS I think there's a lot more to it than that.

We aren't talking about bored delinquents who are wanting to " **** with the IDF" for a bit of fun .
These are desperate people, who have seen countless friends and family members murdered, and seen their people oppressed.
Education is low and misinformation is probably rife, the population is young and angry. It would be hard to design a better breeding ground for terrorists. If any of us were born there we would likely be exactly the same.


The Israeli line of "if they didn't launch rockets we wouldn't have to do air strikes" is really flawed.
It doesn't consider the oppression of people in Gaza in the first place.

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As Hamas are mainly in Gaza, and the more friendly opposition Fatah party are in West Bank, why not declare Gaza as a satellite aggressive state allow peaceful Palestinians to resettle in the West Bank give them a better standard of living and then rout out the bad eggs firing these rockets as they will never want peace for any reason at any time , Hamas even hate each other the current leader in 2016 wanted a peaceful discussions not rockets.. However as in most parties the rogue elements want greater aggression and a take over of the leadership .

there are 2 million people in the Gaza strip - how many should be moved to another city before they move in on the "bad eggs"?

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Its like trying to beat up a giant when you are 5 foot tall , blind and have one hand tied behind your back

Since the state of Israel was formed more and more land has been stolen off the arabs

I would be fecking pissed off if my new next door neighbour kept moving the fence further into my garden

And all my other neighbours just stood by and watched

Which is exactly what is happening

Could it be that it's none of the other neighbours business so not getting involved and keeping out of it?

[Tuerto]

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Could it be that it's none of the other neighbours business so not getting involved and keeping out of it?

Fair Play, Stan, you haven't really thought it through, have you?

[stan butler]

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Fair Play, Stan, you haven't really thought it through, have you?

No
But my comment was regarding Sludge. If his neighbours were pinching his land and i was his other neighbour i'd just watch and not get involved

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FFS I think there's a lot more to it than that.

We aren't talking about bored delinquents who are wanting to " **** with the IDF" for a bit of fun .
These are desperate people, who have seen countless friends and family members murdered, and seen their people oppressed.
Education is low and misinformation is probably rife, the population is young and angry. It would be hard to design a better breeding ground for terrorists. If any of us were born there we would likely be exactly the same.


The Israeli line of "if they didn't launch rockets we wouldn't have to do air strikes" is really flawed.
It doesn't consider the oppression of people in Gaza in the first place.

yet the people of the West Bank aren't oppressed, or facing such an onslaught. Hamas are the problem, and the Gazans continually support them.

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No
But my comment was regarding Sludge. If his neighbours were pinching his land and i was his other neighbour i'd just watch and not get involved

On that point, i completely agree with you.

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yet the people of the West Bank aren't oppressed, or facing such an onslaught. Hamas are the problem, and the Gazans continually support them.

so what do you think it is about "the Gazans" that means this happens, if not a result of the oppression from Israel?

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Do Palestinians move between the Gaza Strip and West Bank?

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No
But my comment was regarding Sludge. If his neighbours were pinching his land and i was his other neighbour i'd just watch and not get involved

Wimp

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Do Palestinians move between the Gaza Strip and West Bank?

I don't think it is allowed

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Wimp