Taking The Knee To Continue ?

[RonnieBird]

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Probably. Everyone seems determined to be offended by every childish remark or daft comment whether it has anything to do with them or not.

[az city]

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We have some fine, upstanding folk trying to defend the England football team from the Marxist hordes in this thread by pointing out that they, as old, white men, know more about being black in modern day Britain than the ten members of the twenty six man squad Gareth Southgate picked originally who I don't believe would have passed the "natural born Britons" test as advocated by one of those defending those who boo taking the knee.

This link (I know the Libertarians on here don't like such things, but I think it's relevant in this case) from a respected fact checking site attempts to answer the question as to whether BLM is a Marxist organisation or not and seems to me to come down on the side of saying it isn't.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/

I'm sure that those trying to put the England football team right on things like this will note that the article is a year old and things have changed since then. They are right to some extent as well, more is known about BLM now, but the strange thing is that I don't recall any of them saying anything too much different back in May/June 2020 after the killing of George Floyd on the subject of race relations than they're doing now - surely, they're not just using the whole BLM controversy as a convenient means of trying to mask views they've always held are they?

Thanks, I think the link is interesting. It seems the intellectual support for the view BLM is Marxist is drawn from conservative academics which I guess adds (fallaciously) to its appeal.

[az city]

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People still go to Facebook high, Google college and YouTube university ��

That's clever and funny. I may pinch that if I may.

[Dorcus]

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Probably. Everyone seems determined to be offended by every childish remark or daft comment whether it has anything to do with them or not.

Purely as a matter of interest Sir Jim, would you have the same degree of repugnance against an organisation which calls itself JLM?

[RonnieBird]

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Certainly if it had the same hidden agenda.

[the other bob wilson]

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Certainly if it had the same hidden agenda.

What hidden agenda is that then? It can’t be that they’re Marxists, because people like you are always telling us about that one - it’s hardly hidden.

[tforturton]

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The problem with 'taking the knee' is that (1) it has been going on for too long, and (2) it only seems to be applied to football. Why don't all sports do it? I don't recall any rugby players doing it, and I certainly didn't see any tennis players at Wimbledon either. Nor golf, or motor racing, darts, snooker, or any other sport you can mention. Why only football? Do they think all fans are all low-life racists who need educating?
Like the public in general, the vast majority of football fans are not racist, and they are starting to resent being told that they are, every time a game kicks off. That's why people boo - not because they're racist, but because they're tired of being labelled as such.

[neilw65]

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This is worth a listen/watch

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1414890418240729089

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The problem with 'taking the knee' is that (1) it has been going on for too long, and (2) it only seems to be applied to football. Why don't all sports do it? I don't recall any rugby players doing it, and I certainly didn't see any tennis players at Wimbledon either. Nor golf, or motor racing, darts, snooker, or any other sport you can mention. Why only football? Do they think all fans are all low-life racists who need educating?
Like the public in general, the vast majority of football fans are not racist, and they are starting to resent being told that they are, every time a game kicks off. That's why people boo - not because they're racist, but because they're tired of being labelled as such.

It has happened in other sports

Lewis Hamilton does it as well

A lot of the people who boo are nailed on racists and the problem of racism in society and in football in particular has never gone away

Some racists change through education but some retain their moronic views and you only have to go on football websites to see how prevalent it is

I am not talking about people having a reasonable discussion as we are here , I am talking appalling levels of racist attitudes

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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This is worth a listen/watch

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1414890418240729089

Hes nailed it

[Dorcus]

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The problem with 'taking the knee' is that (1) it has been going on for too long, and (2) it only seems to be applied to football. Why don't all sports do it? I don't recall any rugby players doing it, and I certainly didn't see any tennis players at Wimbledon either. Nor golf, or motor racing, darts, snooker, or any other sport you can mention. Why only football? Do they think all fans are all low-life racists who need educating?
Like the public in general, the vast majority of football fans are not racist, and they are starting to resent being told that they are, every time a game kicks off. That's why people boo - not because they're racist, but because they're tired of being labelled as such.

How long is too long? Why shouldn't it last forever? Would we say the same about public service announcements decrying drink driving? Would we say they have gone on too long for example? They have slowly burned onto the collective consciousness the shame of drink driving, just like the Taking the Knee gesture is attempting to achieve the same with regard to racism.

[Dorcus]

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This is worth a listen/watch

https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1414890418240729089

Absolutely brilliant! There's no hiding place from those comments. Perfectly summed up.

[delmbox]

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if that’s gone it’s not for me anymore.

Great stuff. Keep it up with the kneeling lads, it's working a treat

[Feedback]

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What a load of bollocks this thread is. We don't live in a football stadium, so taking the knee means nothing outside the world of football. People need to wake up and realise disagreeing with taking the knee is not being racist, it means (or certainly can mean) that its meaning has been eroded through continuous use.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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What a load of bollocks this thread is. We don't live in a football stadium, so taking the knee means nothing outside the world of football. People need to wake up and realise disagreeing with taking the knee is not being racist, it means (or certainly can mean) that its meaning has been eroded through continuous use.

There are valid reasons for disagreeing with an anti-racism message?