Taking The Knee To Continue ?

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Does it only count when someone is born?

If a new country is formed, do they have a population of zero until babies start getting born?

This was the basis for impressment which was one of the causes of the war of 1812.

Marx would have been considered Prussian, much in the way you had Hessians, Hanoverians, and so on.

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I see, so what you are saying is that because Africans are poor, they shouldn't be educated on how they played their part in the slave trade.

no one is disputing the europeans created a much larger slave market, but those markets already existed. It wasn't the europeans that created them. If you want to do something about slavery, don't look to the past, look at how many people are estimated to be slaves today and try and do something about that. It is still rife in Mauritania.

No you daft sod , I am saying in much of Africa the education is about finding water and food , if there is any education at all

In much of Western Europe we have a state funded education system which affords the pupils the opportunity to be educated about the slave trade

I am glad that the teachers of today are educating pupils about the slave trade , it wasn't like that in my day

However your extensive practical knowledge of teaching is sadly missed and its clear you are wasted in the world of finance

You should change career and tell the educational establishment they are all wrong

Let me know how you get on

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This was the basis for impressment which was one of the causes of the war of 1812.

Marx would have been considered Prussian, much in the way you had Hessians, Hanoverians, and so on.

These prussians........are we talking about the men who formed much of hitlers nazi elite and generals ?

Adolf Hitler , that GERMAN nazi ?

Sounds like these prussians were about as German as you can get 😉

[jon1959]

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Such a shame that Feedback could not explain to The King's German Legion (fought for the British against Napoleonic France 1803-15) that they didn't exist. They were disbanded in 1816 - a year after the formation of the German Confederation of German speaking states and 3 years before Marx was born.

But of course Feedback is right - national identity can only be defined against membership of a sovereign state. Which will also come as a big disappointment to many citizens of western Britain who believe (falsely according to Feedback) that they are Welsh!

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This was the basis for impressment which was one of the causes of the war of 1812.

Marx would have been considered Prussian, much in the way you had Hessians, Hanoverians, and so on.

So you would call Luca Modric Yugoslavian and not Croatian, would you?

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These prussians........are we talking about the men who formed much of hitlers nazi elite and generals ?

Adolf Hitler , that GERMAN nazi ?

Sounds like these prussians were about as German as you can get 😉

Hitler was Austrian. Just saying

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Such a shame that Feedback could not explain to The King's German Legion (fought for the British against Napoleonic France 1803-15) that they didn't exist. They were disbanded in 1816 - a year after the formation of the German Confederation of German speaking states and 3 years before Marx was born.

But of course Feedback is right - national identity can only be defined against membership of a sovereign state. Which will also come as a big disappointment to many citizens of western Britain who believe (falsely according to Feedback) that they are Welsh!

Why can't I explain the Kings German legion? Hardly surprising the king raised a legion considering he was elector of Hannover.

You seem to be of the opinion that because the English language uses the roman cognomen for an inhabitant of Germania, that the inhabitants referred to this themselves.

Prior to confederation and even unification, the patchwork of states were fiercely independent and referred to themselves as saxon, prussian, bavarian and so on. They most certainly did not refer to themselves as German.

Even today bavarians do not necessarily see themselves as german.

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I love all Marcomanni, Alamanni, Franks, Anglos, Saxons, Vandals, Gepids, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Alans, Burgundians, and Lombards.

Them germanics , certainly spewd it about .

Not sure if they were into taking the knee

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I love all Marcomanni, Alamanni, Franks, Anglos, Saxons, Vandals, Gepids, Ostrogoths, Visigoths, Alans, Burgundians, and Lombards.

Them germanics , certainly spewd it about .

Not sure if they were into taking the knee

You refer to the ingvaeonic and irminonic

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Why can't I explain the Kings German legion? Hardly surprising the king raised a legion considering he was elector of Hannover.

No - why can't you explain why it was called the German Legion if Germany didn't exist until 1871.

You seem to be of the opinion that because the English language uses the roman cognomen for an inhabitant of Germania, that the inhabitants referred to this themselves.

It was called the Deutscher Bund by the participants. I have used the English translation for your benefit. Please tell me 'Deutscher' doesn't translate as 'German'!

Prior to confederation and even unification, the patchwork of states were fiercely independent and referred to themselves as saxon, prussian, bavarian and so on. They most certainly did not refer to themselves as German.

You sure? Many of my neighbours insist they are Yorkshiremen and women. Regional and local identities occur everywhere - whether or not they are tied to a political border. As 'Germany' and 'German' have been used since the 10th century at least (maybe even the 2nd century) inside and outside what we think of as Germany, why are you so confident that the description wasn't used or understood at the time of Marx's birth? My understanding (from reading about the period) is that most people considered themselves to be German citizens of whatever state they came from - Prussia, Hesse, Saxony or whatever. Marx wrote about the Prussian state and the German people. Many posters on here think of themselves as Welsh citizens of the UK. Not a difficult or contentious view - and completely consistent with what NYCBlue wrote that got you off point scoring

Even today bavarians do not necessarily see themselves as german.

Which helpfully undermines all your earlier misconceived arguments and ends this little debate.

Thanks - I enjoyed that. Hard work but we got there in the end.

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Thanks - I enjoyed that. Hard work but we got there in the end.

You are misinformed.

The English language refers to the land as German and Germany from the Latin germania. In the German language "deutsche" has etymology in the teutonic knights, which stems from proto german for "people"...rather than deutsche being German language for German.

So whilst german/Germany may be used in the English language, these are not terms used by those speaking any of the varieties of the sprachraum.

Think of cymry/cymru. It doesn't mean welsh/Wales (which in saxon wealas was foreigner), but meant country/countrymen.

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You are misinformed.

The English language refers to the land as German and Germany from the Latin germania. In German "deutsche" has etymology in the teutonic knights, which stems from proto german for "people"...rather than deutsche being German language for German.

So whilst german may be used in the English language, these are not terms used by those speaking any of the varieties of the sprachraum.

So was the Young Germany movement (active from 1830-1850, Marx described them as the Young Germans) not about the political future of the German states? Was the tract published by Marx and Engels on German Ideology in 1846 something to do with 'the people' of central Europe and not about the states, ideologies and social organisation of the German states? You insisted that Marx was a Prussian (who became stateless) not a German. It is clear from his own writings that he considered himself to be a German.

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You are misinformed.

The English language refers to the land as German and Germany from the Latin germania. In the German language "deutsche" has etymology in the teutonic knights, which stems from proto german for "people"...rather than deutsche being German language for German.

So whilst german/Germany may be used in the English language, these are not terms used by those speaking any of the varieties of the sprachraum.

Think of cymry/cymru. It doesn't mean welsh/Wales (which in saxon wealas was foreigner), but meant country/countrymen.

You ok, Hun x

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So was the Young Germany movement (active from 1830-1850, Marx described them as the Young Germans) not about the political future of the German states? Was the tract published by Marx and Engels on German Ideology in 1846 something to do with 'the people' of central Europe and not about the states, ideologies and social organisation of the German states? You insisted that Marx was a Prussian (who became stateless) not a German. It is clear from his own writings that he considered himself to be a German.

Did he? Show me where marx wrote "I am a German?"

And just to be clear...the group you refer to was junges deutschland...which literally means "the young people of our land".

Wait until you hear about the belgie, who were neither French, or Dutch.

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You ok, Hun x

I am now sweetcheeks xx