Taking The Knee To Continue ?

[RonnieBird]

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Great stuff. Keep it up with the kneeling lads, it's working a treat

Such rudeness.

[RonnieBird]

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What hidden agenda is that then? It can’t be that they’re Marxists, because people like you are always telling us about that one - it’s hardly hidden.

People like me ?
Are you following up on Dorcas’ remark?

You’re not a racist , a bad person or unintelligent by any stretch Dorcas. You’d be pressed to offend me since your views would be honest and rational, but you see what you bring out of the woodwork when you mention stuff like that ?

[the other bob wilson]

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People like me ?
Are you following up on Dorcas’ remark?

You’re not a racist , a bad person or unintelligent by any stretch Dorcas. You’d be pressed to offend me since your views would be honest and rational, but you see what you bring out of the woodwork when you mention stuff like that ?

What a self pitying response to what I said. Do you really think I was referring to your religion? "People like you" can still be used without having the connotations you want to put on it you know and I used it in this case because it fitted with what I wanted to say. I said it because if I'd been asked to predict five people on here who would play the BLM = Marxist card to try to justify their views. I would have been wrong in some cases, but not with you. You would have been in my five all day long.

So, having got your mud slinging attempt to move things off topic out of the way, I ask again, what is the "hidden agenda" you talk about? It cannot be Marxism, given that I never stop reading about that when BLM is discussed among some right wingers - although I note Steve Baker, of all people, can see problems for his party regarding responses to taking the knee;-

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/13/leading-tory-mp-says-party-must-change-attitude-on-taking-the-knee

Finally, those of you telling the England players they're wrong have not responded to the James O'Brien video posted on here yesterday yet - here it is again just in case you missed it first time.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obriens-breathtaking-speech-on-tyrone-mings-condemning-priti-patel/

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[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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An interesting take on it from a Tory MP:

https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/johnny-mercer-taking-the-knee

[lardy]

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An interesting take on it from a Tory MP:
https://www.politicshome.com/thehous...aking-the-knee

"But I once played in a rugby team in the Army composed of fourteen Fijians and me."

I wonder why they made him play on the opposition

[adz-a32]

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Absolutely not. I read a lot and watch a lot of different videos on YouTube from extreme right wing and also left wing (and not from some chavvie keyboard warrior stuck in his mums house hiding behind a laptop), and then form my own options. No one is more left wing than I am, but as for Marxism, Uggg, it is a form of oppression. Oh, and before you accuse me of being fascist, my best mate for over 40 years is black, and whose parents came over on the Windrush. He knows exactly how I feel about an out an out Marxist organisation and footballers taking the knee and basically bowing down to it.

Such a cliché You do know Marx had some Eurocentric ideas?

[Baloo]

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It's a bit of a challenge to believe those booing Taking The Knee are expressing their principled misgivings with Marxism given every single foreign anthem was also booed by some England fans, regardless of the social, economic or political philosophy associated with each nation.

[lardy]

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Absolutely not. I read a lot and watch a lot of different videos on YouTube from extreme right wing and also left wing (and not from some chavvie keyboard warrior stuck in his mums house hiding behind a laptop), and then form my own options. No one is more left wing than I am, but as for Marxism, Uggg, it is a form of oppression. Oh, and before you accuse me of being fascist, my best mate for over 40 years is black, and whose parents came over on the Windrush. He knows exactly how I feel about an out an out Marxist organisation and footballers taking the knee and basically bowing down to it.

Of course, you came to your own opinion after watching extreme right wing YouTube videos. It just so happened to be the same opinion. OK

I guess either hundreds of footballers have been simultaneously hoodwinked by the Marxists because "they're not very bright" or there is a problem with the way black players are treated and they're using a simple gesture to draw attention to it.

We may never know the truth...

[Feedback]

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There are valid reasons for disagreeing with an anti-racism message?

It's a personal choice whether you wish to take a knee. It shouldn't be for Ed upon you because then it's contrived. No inference should be made if you do or don't kneel. Likewise idiots booing those that do need shutting up.

[Feedback]

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Doesn’t seem much of a reason to boo it mind.

agreed, that I don't understand

[Feedback]

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It’s working because this peaceful protest is keeping the scourge of racism in the spotlight, it certainly hasn’t been eroded, if anything these last few days it’s gained considerable strength. The booers are using it as cover to display their true feelings I believe, we're wise to it, it’s they who need to be eroded.

I dont disagree. My comment was about the inference that if you don't support taking the knee, you must be racist. That's nonsense.

[Feedback]

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Maybe taking the knee should go on as long as the slave trade (400 years).

The slave trade has been going on before the pyramids were built.

[Feedback]

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Do you know anything about Marxism? Marxism is about class, not race. "Marxism" has become a right-wing buzzword used by people that have no ****ing idea who Marx was or what his philosophy is. Be honest with yourself, did you even know Karl Marx was German?

Marx wasn't a German, a country that only came into being 12 years before his death and 24 years after he wrote the communist manifesto.

Marx died stateless and was stateless from 1848 onwards.

[ToTaL ITK]

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The slave trade has been going on before the pyramids were built.

the slave trade is still going on.

[jon1959]

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Marx wasn't a German, a country that only came into being 12 years before his death and 24 years after he wrote the communist manifesto.

Marx died stateless and was stateless from 1848 onwards.

Marx was born in Trier - part of Prussia - in 1818. Prussia was a founding state of the Confederation of Germany. The Confederation of Germany was created at the Congress of Vienna 1814-15 following the fall of Napoleon. Marx was born a German!

He was expelled from Prussia in 1849. Was he then stateless (a citizen of the world)? Probably yes if you project back our modern legal conceptions (underpinned by international laws adopted in the 20th century) of what comprises citizenship of a state. But you don't want to project back our modern understanding of 'Germany' and 'German' because the unified state didn't appear until 1871!

NYVBlue is right that most people who throw around the term 'Marxist' have no idea what they're talking about.