Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close

[the other bob wilson]

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I know I’m always on this Government’s case, but does anyone else think that the sanctions announced yesterday are a bit, you know, feeble given what we’d been hearing for the previous ten days or so?

[AfricanBluebird]

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So all in all we should have just had you in charge for the last 20 years then none of these things would have happened.
now you tell us............... too late of course.
If you knew so much why didn't you do something before now?

I look forward to receiving your vote.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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I know I’m always on this Government’s case, but does anyone else think that the sanctions announced yesterday are a bit, you know, feeble given what we’d been hearing for the previous ten days or so?

I wouldn't go as far as to say they are feeble, however, they're not the severe sanctions touted beforehand by the government.

Perhaps the government feels it needs to keep an arrow in its quiver, should the Russian military march towards Kiev?

Full-on sanctions, at this point, would leave nothing to bargain with and would probably rule out any lingering hope of diplomacy. Also, if we hit Russia with full sanctions right now, Putin might feel he has nothing more to lose and would order his army to sweep across from the east

[AfricanBluebird]

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I wouldn't go as far as to say they are feeble, however, they're not the severe sanctions touted beforehand by the government.

Perhaps the government feels it needs to keep an arrow in its quiver, should the Russian military march towards Kiev?

Full-on sanctions, at this point, would leave nothing to bargain with and would probably rule out any lingering hope of diplomacy. Also, if we hit Russia with full sanctions right now, Putin might feel he has nothing more to lose and would order his army to sweep across from the east

In all fairness the PM is about to announce tough new sanctions on Russian Oligarchs:

1) When appointed to the House of Lords they will no longer be allowed to access the free bar between 8 and 9am
2) Oligarchs will be only be allowed to pay for two foreign trips for Tory MP's per year, not the standard three.
3) Oligarchs will only be allowed to film Tory MP's having sex with prostitutes at Palazzo Terranova on a Tuesday and Friday.

[the other bob wilson]

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I wouldn't go as far as to say they are feeble, however, they're not the severe sanctions touted beforehand by the government.

Perhaps the government feels it needs to keep an arrow in its quiver, should the Russian military march towards Kiev?

Full-on sanctions, at this point, would leave nothing to bargain with and would probably rule out any lingering hope of diplomacy. Also, if we hit Russia with full sanctions right now, Putin might feel he has nothing more to lose and would order his army to sweep across from the east

I don't pay as much attention to this sort of thing as some on here, but it seems to me that what Germany has done might just make Putin reconsider his actions, but what Johnson announced yesterday is hardly going to make him turn tail and order the tanks back is it.

[AfricanBluebird]

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Before anyone accuses me of being mean to the Tories - I completely accept that and will continue to do so, I would also add that Corbyn was in bed with the Russians, not financially but also theologically. Look at his absolutely stupid continued appearances on Russian TV.

What a fecking swamp our politics are.

[the other bob wilson]

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In all fairness the PM is about to announce tough new sanctions on Russian Oligarchs:

1) When appointed to the House of Lords they will no longer be allowed to access the free bar between 8 and 9am
2) Oligarchs will be only be allowed to pay for two foreign trips for Tory MP's per year, not the standard three.
3) Oligarchs will only be allowed to film Tory MP's having sex with prostitutes at Palazzo Terranova on a Tuesday and Friday.

Don't forget the tennis matches.

[Organ Morgan.]

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I know I’m always on this Government’s case, but does anyone else think that the sanctions announced yesterday are a bit, you know, feeble given what we’d been hearing for the previous ten days or so?

Putin has warned that any sanctions imposed which he considers are over the top will be deemed an act of war of the economic rather than military variety and dealt with how he sees fit. He's also said prior that only Russians will ever govern Russia: nobody like Napoleon or Adolf's armies before will get an opportunity to invade its soil again because he will destroy any country or countries that dare to try.

It has, supposedly, the greatest number of and most powerful nukes. Their top one, nicknamed Satan 2, is said to have a range of 11,000 miles, enabling it to reach any point on earth, is fitted with multiple warheads with each one many times more devastating than what were used on Japan.

It's said one of those would reduce an area the size of Texas - which is almost three times greater than the UK's land mass - to dust and nothing but dust.

[AfricanBluebird]

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I don't pay as much attention to this sort of thing as some on here, but it seems to me that what Germany has done might just make Putin reconsider his actions, but what Johnson announced yesterday is hardly going to make him turn tail and order the tanks back is it.

Agreed.

Our governments bluster and grandstanding in parliament this week didn't match the benign sanctions.

I am not suggesting we should have gone 'nuclear' with sanctions and of course left some further sanctions as leverage, but my goodness these sanctions are no more than a publicity stunt.

Let's remember that our own security services identified Johnson as a security risk for years due to his visiting Palazzo Terranova and rubbing shoulders, partying and taking money from the Oligarchs when there.

[AfricanBluebird]

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Putin has warned that any sanctions imposed which he considers are over the top will be deemed an act of war of the economic rather than military variety and dealt with how he sees fit. He's also said prior that only Russians will ever govern Russia: nobody like Napoleon or Adolf's armies before will get an opportunity to invade its soil again because he will destroy any country or countries that dare to try.

It has, supposedly, the greatest number of and most powerful nukes. Their top one, nicknamed Satan 2, is said to have a range of 11,000 miles, enabling it to reach any point on earth, is fitted with multiple warheads with each one many times more devastating than what were used on Japan.

It's said one of those would reduce an area the size of Texas - which is almost three times greater than the UK's land mass - to dust and nothing but dust.

Organ, while I understand your important point and keeping things proportional not to poke the hornets nest of Russian aggression... our sanctions are so weak compared to sanctions introduced by other countries. It comes off the back of our government claiming we are leading the world and Europe in standing up to the Russian aggression ummm no we are are not. Weak sanctions by a weak government who are already utterly compromised by Russian money.

[goats]

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Putin has warned that any sanctions imposed which he considers are over the top will be deemed an act of war of the economic rather than military variety and dealt with how he sees fit. He's also said prior that only Russians will ever govern Russia: nobody like Napoleon or Adolf's armies before will get an opportunity to invade its soil again because he will destroy any country or countries that dare to try.

It has, supposedly, the greatest number of and most powerful nukes. Their top one, nicknamed Satan 2, is said to have a range of 11,000 miles, enabling it to reach any point on earth, is fitted with multiple warheads with each one many times more devastating than what were used on Japan.

It's said one of those would reduce an area the size of Texas - which is almost three times greater than the UK's land mass - to dust and nothing but dust.

You don’t think the yanks and the Israelis have these also? Russia is huge but is essentially just Moscow and st Petersburg

[OurManFlint II]

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You don’t think the yanks and the Israelis have these also? Russia is huge but is essentially just Moscow and st Petersburg

and Novosibirsk.

[Organ Morgan.]

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You don’t think the yanks and the Israelis have these also? Russia is huge but is essentially just Moscow and st Petersburg

Shhh!

You and the rest of us mustn't know about their nuclear weapons. Be like Boris Johnson, Joe Biden, etc, by pretending not to know because that way, just like them, you won't ask why their weapons of mass destruction are not subject to international treaties and regular inspections like everyone else's are. Then we can all continue to concentrate on the narrative we have been trained to follow: don't bother thinking too much, keep concentrating on those nasty Russians, North Koreans and Iranians.

This image captures the steaming pile of hypocrisy to a tee - https://thepolicytensor.files.wordpr...13/08/iran.jpg

[Grangenders]

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The two breakaway cities that the Russians have invaded in Ukraine have Welsh connections.
Lugansk is twinned with Cardiff and Donetsk was known as Hughesovka, originally set up by Welsh settlers to establish a metallurgical factory. Named after Merthyr businessman John Hughes.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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Putin has warned that any sanctions imposed which he considers are over the top will be deemed an act of war of the economic rather than military variety and dealt with how he sees fit. He's also said prior that only Russians will ever govern Russia: nobody like Napoleon or Adolf's armies before will get an opportunity to invade its soil again because he will destroy any country or countries that dare to try.

It has, supposedly, the greatest number of and most powerful nukes. Their top one, nicknamed Satan 2, is said to have a range of 11,000 miles, enabling it to reach any point on earth, is fitted with multiple warheads with each one many times more devastating than what were used on Japan.

It's said one of those would reduce an area the size of Texas - which is almost three times greater than the UK's land mass - to dust and nothing but dust.

Russia has the nuclear capability to turn the UK to dust many times over - the UK has the nuclear capability to turn Russia to dust once.