Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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who knows how Putin thinks

what's for sure is retirement is not an option to him. if he ever leaves the job as president of Russia it'll either be in a body bag or a prison cell.

he has a firm grip on the country, especially the media, as journalists who are critical of him have a surprising habit of falling out of windows.
in the Russian media he, like so many dictators, paints himself as the great protector, defending Russia against western aggression.
you can be sure that if he does invade Ukraine, they will first report that Ukraine is invading Russia, or that they are killing Russian people in the country so he can rescue them.
it could just be a way of keeping an iron grip on the country.
if more had more of his neighbours turn to the west then it may be difficult for him to maintain control

"if he ever leaves the job as president of Russia it'll either be in a body bag or a prison cell."

Yup, he knows it too, that's the frightening thing about it...desperado!

[JamesWales]

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Eagerly shared by a bunch of scum who think they're a cut above the 'sheeple '. Will keep the antivaxers busy i suppose, another cause they can jump straight into

In fairness, nothing ever is entirely black or white. There is no doubt the west would like regime change in Russia for example, but that doesn't change who the aggressor is, which is plainly Russia which cannot get over an independent Ukraine looking towards the west

Nonetheless, here are the troops;

https://order-order.com/2022/02/11/sitting-labour-mp-diane-abbott-nato-to-blame-for-ukraine-crisis/

I should add, I entirely support Corbyn and Abbott's right to say whatever the hell they like.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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In fairness, nothing ever is entirely black or white. There is no doubt the west would like regime change in Russia for example, but that doesn't change who the aggressor is, which is plainly Russia which cannot get over an independent Ukraine looking towards the west

Nonetheless, here are the troops;

https://order-order.com/2022/02/11/sitting-labour-mp-diane-abbott-nato-to-blame-for-ukraine-crisis/

I should add, I entirely support Corbyn and Abbott's right to say whatever the hell they like.

You love your Guido Fawkes sites, don't you?

[JamesWales]

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You love your Guido Fawkes sites, don't you?

It gets a shit load of scoops and is part of a range of websites worth lookint at.

It has posted a video in full there. Diane Abbots own words.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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It gets a shit load of scoops and is part of a range of websites worth lookint at.

It has posted a video in full there. Diane Abbots own words.

Your balanced view of all websites exposed here methinks.

[Rjk]

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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/12/europe/russia-ukraine-invasion-paths-map-cmd-intl/index.html

Some interesting speculation there on what route they could take in an invasion.

[JamesWales]

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Your balanced view of all websites exposed here methinks.

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They literally have posted a video of her speech (quite refreshing actually) and you are shouting at the messenger.

[JamesWales]

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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/12/e...ntl/index.html

Some interesting speculation there on what route they could take in an invasion.

It's going to be a big old week. I still just can't see it. It seems such a stupid and reckless move in a way that for example the Crimea wasn't .

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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They literally have posted a video of her speech (quite refreshing actually) and you are shouting at the messenger.

You just proclaimed your love for the place. I've lost count of the number of times you've posted links from sites related to Guido Fawkes, not to mention other right wing sites.

Yet, you're very open minded and have a balanced opinion.

[chrisp_1927]

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In fairness, nothing ever is entirely black or white. There is no doubt the west would like regime change in Russia for example, but that doesn't change who the aggressor is, which is plainly Russia which cannot get over an independent Ukraine looking towards the west

Nonetheless, here are the troops;

https://order-order.com/2022/02/11/sitting-labour-mp-diane-abbott-nato-to-blame-for-ukraine-crisis/

I should add, I entirely support Corbyn and Abbott's right to say whatever the hell they like.

The sheer idiocy of that pair never ceases to amaze me. I'm sure that the Russian point of view will also get support from a lot of the trump/farage fans aswell. Nothing shows good strong leadership quite like invading your neighbour.

[JamesWales]

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You just proclaimed your love for the place. I've lost count of the number of times you've posted links from sites related to Guido Fawkes, not to mention other right wing sites.

Yet, you're very open minded and have a balanced opinion.

Are you serious?

Firstly, others are talking about people parroting a pro-kremlin position and I illustrated that with a very prominent politician doing so on video. That's relevent. Not my fault I can't see it on other media.

Being open minded means getting information from a diversity of news sources. That's good!

Guido Fawkes takes a pop at all sides. It's very often laying into the Tories.

If you read it, you would know that. And if you don't read it, by definition you don't know what you are talking about

Now, the topic here is the Ukraine and within that people spreading pro-kremlin opinions, so I have no idea why you are deflecting things at all

[JamesWales]

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The sheer idiocy of that pair never ceases to amaze me. I'm sure that the Russian point of view will also get support from a lot of the trump/farage fans aswell. Nothing shows good strong leadership quite like invading your neighbour.

100%. Strong man, conspiracy theories, questioning the west and Soros and the like. It's a toxic mix.

And as I mentioned, we shouldn't delude ourselves that everything is in one direction. Putting ourselves in Russia's shoes is critical in understanding their actions.

But claiming the west or NATO are the aggressors here is plainly absurd and just typical or the standard anti-American tropes that are pretty common amongst many in those circles.

[Rjk]

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It's going to be a big old week. I still just can't see it. It seems such a stupid and reckless move in a way that for example the Crimea wasn't .

The problem is that Putin has been allowed to get away with so much again and again, without any real push-back from the west, he's probably just seeing how far he can take it.

[JamesWales]

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The problem is that Putin has been allowed to get away with so much again and again, without any real push-back from the west, he's probably just seeing how far he can take it.

Yeah I can see what u mean there. He has had us over a barrel for so long. Doesn't have any opposition to worry about and can push us all the way then step back and claim victory. Or get away with it like in the Crimea. It's a very difficult situation

[Rjk]

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