40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[Dorcus]

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Contained, as in they got away with it. If you invite religious or racial violence it's normally considered a crime. Perhaps everyone should get away with it now? I don't think that's a good idea.

Careful what you wish for!

Not at all it was contained. You might not be happy with it but it's ample evidence the police handled the situation successfully
You might wish to inflame tensions but thankfully not everyone wants to.

[JamesWales]

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Not at all it was contained. You might not be happy with it but it's ample evidence the police handled the situation successfully
You might wish to inflame tensions but thankfully not everyone wants to.

Ha, interesting take!

I wonder if you will be this consistent on all racist or violent chanting in public going forward?

[jon1959]

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I have no idea what the person or people calling for Jihad meant - probably the meaning James and Suella have given it, but maybe not.

Interesting that the BBC have chosen to give a definition of the word in their news report - and acknowledgement that outside the main western media (and social media) it is a word with a range of meanings:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67190812

"Jihad" literally means "effort" or "struggle" in Arabic. In Islam the main meaning is an internal struggle, such as a believer's struggle to live in accordance with their faith. Jihad can also be an outward struggle or war, which in Islamic teaching must be in self defence and within prescribed limits.

Somehow I doubt it was a call for an internal struggle to live a good life - but who knows? Whatever the intention it created a very unhelpful distraction from the main messages of the demonstrations - a gift to those who want to equate Palestinians and their supporters with the Hamas military wing.

Interesting also how much of the reporting is about how the demonstrations and political slogans in support of Palestinians in Gaza and the occupied territories could be upsetting to the UK Jewish community. Leaving aside the fact that a significant minority of the UK Jewish community was on those demonstrations, why is there no concern at all by politicians or the press that the 100% support for Israeli war crimes might be upsetting for the UK Palestinian diaspora or just people who object to mass murder for revenge?

[Dorcus]

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So you think everything we see in the media, for example Al Jazeera news which is not exactly pro-Israel/West, is carefully vetted so as to be sure to exclude any images of Hamas fighters helping in rescue attempts? Pull the other one. Hamas have no interest in the common man, they are Jihadists pure and simple, just like ISIS.

Everyone has blood on their hands in this conflict not least the folk who supply Hamas with weapons which enables them to attack Israel in the first place.

I totally agree everyone has blood on their hands and I'm not excusing the murderous Hamas terrorists for one moment. They are as oblivious to ordinary Palestine suffering as the Israeli government is.

However, an eye for an eye is not the way to settle this conflict. Hamas and Israel will ensure it prolongs itself far into the future. The only possibility of a settlement is for the bigger client powers to take the responsibility to settle it themselves.

[Dorcus]

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Ha, interesting take!

I wonder if you will be this consistent on all racist or violent chanting in public going forward?

Hardly interesting, just purely factual. As much as you might dislike it further disturbances were prevented. I think if we can keep Braverman and her swivel eyed troops as far away from the situation we might ensure the peace is held.

[Gofer Blue]

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I totally agree everyone has blood on their hands and I'm not excusing the murderous Hamas terrorists for one moment. They are as oblivious to ordinary Palestine suffering as the Israeli government is.

However, an eye for an eye is not the way to settle this conflict. Hamas and Israel will ensure it prolongs itself far into the future. The only possibility of a settlement is for the bigger client powers to take the responsibility to settle it themselves.

Sadly an eye-for-an-eye seems to be the philosophy of the Israeli government. As someone on Radio 4 said the other day an eye-for-an-eye means that eventually everybody ends up blind - not the ideal scenario.

[Dorcus]

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Sadly an eye-for-an-eye seems to be the philosophy of the Israeli government. As someone on Radio 4 said the other day an eye-for-an-eye means that eventually everybody ends up blind - not the ideal scenario.

It originates in the Abrahamic religions so naturally the Christians, Jews and Moslems will all espouse it. But it's totally wrong. It only creates a continual cycle of bloody revenge and ups the ante every time. Something has to break it and restraint is a good starting position to take. It definitely claims the higher moral ground.

[JamesWales]

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Hardly interesting, just purely factual. As much as you might dislike it further disturbances were prevented. I think if we can keep Braverman and her swivel eyed troops as far away from the situation we might ensure the peace is held.

Nah sorry, you can't get away with that shape shifting.

Further disturbance prevented at the expense of allowing racist and violent chanting on Britain's streets.

They should go after them after the event if not before. It's mental that you tolerate stuff like this tbh. It's so odd.

[Dorcus]

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Nah sorry, you can't get away with that shape shifting.

Further disturbance prevented at the expense of allowing racist and violent chanting on Britain's streets.

They should go after them after the event if not before. It's mental that you tolerate stuff like this tbh. It's so odd.

I think it's rather more odd, and indeed disturbing that you wish to risk inflaming more tension just because of your ideological beliefs.

The Palestinian sympathisers have every right to demonstrate against the repression, abuse and slaughter of their people. If the Metropolitan Police managed to allow freedom of expression without major, violent disruption (which they achieved) then they should be applauded and should not have dangerous politicians interfering with their work and undermining their authority.

[Gofer Blue]

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It originates in the Abrahamic religions so naturally the Christians, Jews and Moslems will all espouse it. But it's totally wrong. It only creates a continual cycle of bloody revenge and ups the ante every time. Something has to break it and restraint is a good starting position to take. It definitely claims the higher moral ground.

With respect, Christians (of which I am one) do not espouse an eye-for-an-eye mentality. IMO Jews are still stuck in an Old Testament mentality and have mainly rejected Jesus (although I understand that there are an increasing number of Jewish Christians) hence I am not surprised that they still have that sense of revenge in their make-up. Sadly we get the world we deserve and it is heartbreaking to see the effect, especially on innocent children.

[JamesWales]

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I think it's rather more odd, and indeed disturbing that you wish to risk inflaming more tension just because of your ideological beliefs.

The Palestinian sympathisers have every right to demonstrate against the repression, abuse and slaughter of their people. If the Metropolitan Police managed to allow freedom of expression without major, violent disruption (which they achieved) then they should be applauded and should not have dangerous politicians interfering with their work and undermining their authority.

Keep turning a blind eye to racism and violent chanting Dorcus. Maybe then it will go away.

How about a blind eye to other things too? Don't want to make a fuss after all.

[Dorcus]

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Keep turning a blind eye to racism and violent chanting Dorcus. Maybe then it will go away.

How about a blind eye to other things too? Don't want to make a fuss after all.

There's no way I'd turn a blind eye to racism but I'm proud that, unlike you, I have no desire to instigate further violence in an already highly charged climate. Is it bloodlust and superiority that fuels your ignorance Jim?

[Dorcus]

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With respect, Christians (of which I am one) do not espouse an eye-for-an-eye mentality. IMO Jews are still stuck in an Old Testament mentality and have mainly rejected Jesus (although I understand that there are an increasing number of Jewish Christians) hence I am not surprised that they still have that sense of revenge in their make-up. Sadly we get the world we deserve and it is heartbreaking to see the effect, especially on innocent children.

You may not, I never said you did, but it is a doctrine entrenched in the Gospels, and within the other two Abrahamic texts as well.

It sounds like you may be one of the more enlightened Christians but not everyone is like you. We only need cast our gaze across the pond to see just how violent Christian sects can be in America. Generally, the Western world powers, borne out of the Abrahamic teachings will espouse the belief particularly when it comes to backing one of their own colonial settler states. The fact that Muslims hold similar beliefs only inflames the situation..

[JamesWales]

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There's no way I'd turn a blind eye to racism but I'm proud that, unlike you, I have no desire to instigate further violence in an already highly charged climate. Is it bloodlust and superiority that fuels your ignorance Jim?

You literally are the one advocating turning a blind eye to it. That is absolutely what you are doing.

Police doing their job is it "bloodlust" and "superiority".

By your definition the police wouldn't arrest anyone, least of all anyone violent.

[Dorcus]

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You literally are the one advocating turning a blind eye to it. That is absolutely what you are doing.

Police doing their job is it "bloodlust" and "superiority".

By your definition the police wouldn't arrest anyone, least of all anyone violent.

Not at all, there are instances where arresting people is the correct thing to do. The event you are alluding to is definitely not one of them.

Thank Goodness you're not the Commissioner for Police.