Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

[stevo]

Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

So, can we all at least agree that Plaid Cymru is the way forward?

Thank you.

[Eric Cartman]

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Not his finest hour.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cql2de96kn3o

Why?

[the other bob wilson]

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Why?

I don’t think he went to Albania to hear the Albanians say they did not agree to what he’d just spoken about.

[Eric Cartman]

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I don’t think he went to Albania to hear the Albanians say they did not agree to what he’d just spoken about.

I was reading about this on Reddit this morning, apparently the media coverage was cut to make it look as though it was an Albanian response/answer to a Starmer answer, when in fact the Albanian Prime Minister was asked his question first and Starmer's question about return hubs came after. The guy who was claiming this linked to the full press conference and was pretty confident but the captioning on the press conference is difficult to follow so I gave up trying to confirm his claim.

Not sure to what end but if the above is true, the press seemed determined to turn 'Starmer goes to Albania to talk about cooperation in a number of areas' into 'starmer embarrassed as he pleads with albania for return hubs and they say no'

[Rjk]

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The constant hammering of immigration by the last few governments has been particularly bad for me - having married an immigrant a couple of years back.

The fees involved increased massively under the tories, not only the visa fees themselves, but the NHS surcharge they have to pay went up from 600 ish a year to over 1000 a year, over the course of a 5 year immigration process this adds thousands of pounds per person.

Now Labour want to increase the language requirements to A2 (previously B2) which is quite a big jump and worst of all extend the process from 5 years to 10 years - that will cost us tens of thousands more if it is put in place before we complete the ILR process.

[Wash DC Blue]

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The constant hammering of immigration by the last few governments has been particularly bad for me - having married an immigrant a couple of years back.

The fees involved increased massively under the tories, not only the visa fees themselves, but the NHS surcharge they have to pay went up from 600 ish a year to over 1000 a year, over the course of a 5 year immigration process this adds thousands of pounds per person.

Now Labour want to increase the language requirements to A2 (previously B2) which is quite a big jump and worst of all extend the process from 5 years to 10 years - that will cost us tens of thousands more if it is put in place before we complete the ILR process.

A few times over the last 23 years I’ve wanted to move back and bring my Mrs.
The financial hurdles were always too big.

As much as I miss the place, it’s probably for the best.
It’s not just the place but the times that I had there then will never be the same.

One day though, maybe!

[stevo]

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You’re not missing anything. It’s worse than you remember.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I was reading about this on Reddit this morning, apparently the media coverage was cut to make it look as though it was an Albanian response/answer to a Starmer answer, when in fact the Albanian Prime Minister was asked his question first and Starmer's question about return hubs came after. The guy who was claiming this linked to the full press conference and was pretty confident but the captioning on the press conference is difficult to follow so I gave up trying to confirm his claim.

Not sure to what end but if the above is true, the press seemed determined to turn 'Starmer goes to Albania to talk about cooperation in a number of areas' into 'starmer embarrassed as he pleads with albania for return hubs and they say no'

You should be admired I suppose for your defence of starmer and Labour

But it's all too late

His position is now toxic

He will soon be a dead man walking

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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You’re not missing anything. It’s worse than you remember.

Wait till Nigel gets in

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[the other bob wilson]

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This article, more than any other I've read, captures why I've come to thoroughly despise the leader of the party I've voted for through most of my adult life.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-starmer-careened-honourable-left-racist-right

Can't remember who said this and where I heard it, but it was on some Podcast. Apparently, Starmer was in a foul mood for much of the night of his greatest triumph as he was so annoyed when it began to become clear that his majority and number of seats won was going to be lower than Tony Blair managed in 1997 - what an odd attitude and yet he govenrs as iif his majority was 17, not 170 odd.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

This article, more than any other I've read, captures why I've come to thoroughly despise the leader of the party I've voted for through most of my adult life.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-starmer-careened-honourable-left-racist-right

Can't remember who said this and where I heard it, but it was on some Podcast. Apparently, Starmer was in a foul mood for much of the night of his greatest triumph as he was so annoyed when it began to become clear that his majority and number of seats won was going to be lower than Tony Blair managed in 1997 - what an odd attitude and yet he govenrs as iif his majority was 17, not 170 odd.

We need a moderate party encompassing labour , liberal and old school one nation Tories

I think the problem with left of centre British politics is the fact there are too many parties all poncing about for votes

It would make sense

If Labour can't see they need to get rid of starmer rapido then it's curtains

[Dorcus]

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We need a moderate party encompassing labour , liberal and old school one nation Tories

I think the problem with left of centre British politics is the fact there are too many parties all poncing about for votes

It would make sense

If Labour can't see they need to get rid of starmer rapido then it's curtains

What "left of centre" British politics? It doesn't exist.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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What "left of centre" British politics? It doesn't exist.

A party to represent those that vote for it

There's loads of us , more than the right wing

We just need to knock heads together

Labour is finished

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

This article, more than any other I've read, captures why I've come to thoroughly despise the leader of the party I've voted for through most of my adult life.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-starmer-careened-honourable-left-racist-right

Can't remember who said this and where I heard it, but it was on some Podcast. Apparently, Starmer was in a foul mood for much of the night of his greatest triumph as he was so annoyed when it began to become clear that his majority and number of seats won was going to be lower than Tony Blair managed in 1997 - what an odd attitude and yet he govenrs as iif his majority was 17, not 170 odd.

Peter Oborne accusing people of changing their morals/philosophy is pretty hilarious in and of itself but I do agree with a lot of the points in that article (notably Israel arms sales and nationalisation - which I am guessing PO himself has perhaps changed his mind on..).

The migration commentary centres around Starmer's apparent difference in opinion around migration in 2019 Vs today. I just think that is fatally flawed, I support migration at the levels we saw in 2019, I don't support 2024 levels as I just can't see how that can be sustainable, most notably because it blows a massive hole in the governments ability to deliver on promises around housing/NHS.

[jon1959]

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Peter Oborne accusing people of changing their morals/philosophy is pretty hilarious in and of itself but I do agree with a lot of the points in that article (notably Israel arms sales and nationalisation - which I am guessing PO himself has perhaps changed his mind on..).

The migration commentary centres around Starmer's apparent difference in opinion around migration in 2019 Vs today. I just think that is fatally flawed, I support migration at the levels we saw in 2019, I don't support 2024 levels as I just can't see how that can be sustainable, most notably because it blows a massive hole in the governments ability to deliver on promises around housing/NHS.

Peter Oborne has been very consistent in his views and arguments for at least 10 years.

Kier Starmer has done a complete 180 degree flip in 5 years.

Although to be fair to Starmer he didn’t believe what he said 5 years ago. He was and is a serial liar who says what he thinks some people want to hear, or else what Peter Mandelson whispers in his ear.

Oborne is consistently interesting (as a life long conservative). Starmer is consistently despicable (as a life long chameleon).