Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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Without centralisation, you end up with disparate data sets. Ok, say one region has contact tracing for South Wales - what happens as people move across boundaries?

I'm saying those who believe the 5G shit, believe the app data will be used by EVVVVIIILLLL government forces tend to be conspiracy theorists.

Still, we've got your informed view to rely on.

An element of GDPR is based on holding necessary data no longer than is needed so presumably there are people all over the country thinking about data collection and storage without making them conspiracy theorists.

[Jordi Culé]

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ieve-rkm8zm7d9

Good news, very good in fact

Herd Immunity. Full steam ahead. Toot, toot!

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Herd Immunity. Full steam ahead. Toot, toot!

In the words of the Captain of the Titanic...full speed ahead and to hell with the icebergs!

[lardy]

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Not really.

Those not wanting the app because MUH THEY STALKING ME, SELLING MY LOCATION AND DETAILS are akin to those believing the 5G shit willing to believe any shit conspiracy.

The aim of the tracking app is specifically to track those with symptoms. It needs the location otherwise the app has no use whatsoever.

It doesn't need location. It could function with Bluetooth only, and track which other phones with Bluetooth on/app installed that you've gone within a certain distance of.

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Herd Immunity. Full steam ahead. Toot, toot!

Often the way

[tell it like it is]

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So you will be taking the same action as conspiracy theorists ?

Not at all. If I develop the symptoms, will install and use the app.

[tell it like it is]

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It doesn't need location. It could function with Bluetooth only, and track which other phones with Bluetooth on/app installed that you've gone within a certain distance of.

To effective trace, you'd need to know precise where people are - Bluetooth doesn't prvide location data to best of my knowledge?

[tell it like it is]

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An element of GDPR is based on holding necessary data no longer than is needed so presumably there are people all over the country thinking about data collection and storage without making them conspiracy theorists.

Any data should be collected under GDPR, however completely anonymous data isn't subject to GDPR.

Without seeing the app, if it generates unique ID with no identifying data other than say phone number, there's next to no personal data involved. If u enter name, address etcthen that data will as always be subject to GDPR.

[lardy]

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To effective trace, you'd need to know precise where people are - Bluetooth doesn't prvide location data to best of my knowledge?

I know that the Singapore tracing app uses bluetooth and not location.

Like you, I don't like having the location switched on all the time either. Bluetooth would be preferable.

[CCFCC3PO]

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...ieve-rkm8zm7d9

Good news, very good in fact

This is good news - we really need to see immunity after contracting the illness, the longer the better. When the news of 99 people (originally, it is up to 277 now) being tested as positive after recovering broke, it presented a possible nightmare scenario.

[CCFCC3PO]

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Not at all. If I develop the symptoms, will install and use the app.

It's just as useful to the data collection to report no symptoms. I can't remember what information I provided when I signed up to the ZOE project. I still think data collection is a massive tool to dampen down the disease. Seeing how it works in Singapore makes me think that needs to be replicated here.

Similarly, I have signed up to the Vodafone dream lab - along with 95,000 others, which allows the Imperial College to use my phone's processing power to make calculations whilst my phone isn't in use, and is plugged in.

Anything collected (and it wasn't much) is protected under GDPR.

[CCFCC3PO]

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I know that the Singapore tracing app uses bluetooth and not location.

Like you, I don't like having the location switched on all the time either. Bluetooth would be preferable.

Out of interest, why don't you like having the location switched on? I also switch mine off at times, mainly to save battery because my phone's battery is on its way to dying.

[lardy]

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Out of interest, why don't you like having the location switched on? I also switch mine off at times, mainly to save battery because my phone's battery is on its way to dying.

Mainly battery. I only have location or Bluetooth on when I have a specific need right then for it.

But I also don't particularly like apps who arse about with it. Thinking about it, I rarely have the pop up where an app asks for access to contacts, storage,etc any more. Dunno if that means that apps just wanted it for no reason in the past or if developers are only asking when it is genuinely necessary now.

[tell it like it is]

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Mainly battery. I only have location or Bluetooth on when I have a specific need right then for it.

But I also don't particularly like apps who arse about with it. Thinking about it, I rarely have the pop up where an app asks for access to contacts, storage,etc any more. Dunno if that means that apps just wanted it for no reason in the past or if developers are only asking when it is genuinely necessary now.

One thing I've always stressed with clients for online apps / web based solutions is you have to isolate the absolute minimum amount of rights / information you need to provide the functionality.

If an app to display lolcats for example demanded the rights to access your contacts, make calls then I'm highly suspicious as to why.

[Eric Cartman]

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To effective trace, you'd need to know precise where people are - Bluetooth doesn't prvide location data to best of my knowledge?

It's tracing contact not people. Contact can be traced via Bluetooth, government argument about location data would be that it provides a better picture of the spread, hotspots etc.

Have you done a bit of research into decentralised/centralised systems now? Do you see why so many CS and data privacy experts are in favour of decentralisation? Do you realise why your comparison was dumb?