Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[lardy]

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Shock horror, French dr claims Covid was present there before Christmas from blood tests taken at that time. Students returning from China probably infected the world.....

Why would students return from China to France before Christmas?

But this has come up on here before. Someone suggested that it was parents coming to collect their kids and do some sightseeing.

If it was in Europe before Christmas it could be any kind of travel. I'm sure you can from Paris to different parts of China direct. The world is very connected.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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FAO Organ Morgan:

When did your suspicion change from the Chinese government possibly infecting its own population to kill off the elderly to the New World Order theory regarding the Coronavirus situation? And how do you square people being killed off in China and the virus being a hoax?

[goats]

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Why would students return from China to France before Christmas?

But this has come up on here before. Someone suggested that it was parents coming to collect their kids and do some sightseeing.

If it was in Europe before Christmas it could be any kind of travel. I'm sure you can from Paris to different parts of China direct. The world is very connected.

Whatever, they come back and fore. I had a student from Hong Kong in a house I let out, both his parents came over before Christmas as did a couple of his mates....my mate lives in Venice where there are 1000s of Chinese tourists all the time, not just students

[the other bob wilson]

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Today isnt a Bank Holiday Bob.

The first Monday in May always is.

[delmbox]

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The first Monday in May always is.

This year it's been moved to Friday to coincide with VE Day

[the other bob wilson]

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This year it's been moved to Friday to coincide with VE Day

Ah, okay, I must have missed the invite to the street party then.

Therefore there's no reason why the testing figure shouldn't be 100,000 tomorrow.

[delmbox]

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Ah, okay, I must have missed the invite to the street party then.

Therefore there's no reason why the testing figure shouldn't be 100,000 tomorrow.

There isn't.

And here you go

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[xsnaggle]

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Whatever, they come back and fore. I had a student from Hong Kong in a house I let out, both his parents came over before Christmas as did a couple of his mates....my mate lives in Venice where there are 1000s of Chinese tourists all the time, not just students

Bearing in mind that to non christians christmas probably mean absolutely nothing. They just want to see where there off spring live and make sure they're OK before they go home ot china for university break.

[lardy]

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Whatever, they come back and fore. I had a student from Hong Kong in a house I let out, both his parents came over before Christmas as did a couple of his mates....my mate lives in Venice where there are 1000s of Chinese tourists all the time, not just students

Tourism is probably more of a factor than students in the spread. Especially coming to Europe to see what Christmas is like here.

[lardy]

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Bearing in mind that to non christians christmas probably mean absolutely nothing. They just want to see where there off spring live and make sure they're OK before they go home ot china for university break.

Christmas is definitely seen by non-christians around the world as an enticing event. Markets in Germany, snow in Lapland, there are package holidays to experience a European Christmas.

[xsnaggle]

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Christmas is definitely seen by non-christians around the world as an enticing event. Markets in Germany, snow in Lapland, there are package holidays to experience a European Christmas.

I appreciate that but these folk are talking about family arriving and leaving again before christmas. Maybe killing 2 birds with one stone but still not the defining reason for the visit, which is to see theri childrens lving environment etc.

[the other bob wilson]

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I know it's some way from a complete figure these days and the figure always drops on the weekend, but the hospital deaths figures issued by each country today are the lowest for ages as a total - 204 in England, 14 in Wales, 6 in Northern Ireland and 5 in Scotland making 229 in total.

[xsnaggle]

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I know it's some way from a complete figure these days and the figure always drops on the weekend, but the hospital deaths figures issued by each country today are the lowest for ages as a total - 204 in England, 14 in Wales, 6 in Northern Ireland and 5 in Scotland making 229 in total.

I noted that too, and apparently the number of deaths in care home is also levelling off which cannot be a bad thing.
I think we are all now starting to look forward for any sign of an easing of the lockdown.

[tell it like it is]

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From Guardian earlier today.

"Cases in Germany likely to be 10 times higher than official number, researchers conclude

More than 10 times as many people in Germany have probably been infected with the coronavirus than the number of confirmed cases, researchers from the University of Bonn have concluded from a field trial in one of the worst hit towns.

The preliminary study results, which have yet to be peer reviewed for publication in a scientific journal, serve as a reminder of the dangers of infection by unidentified carriers of the virus, some of whom show no symptoms, the researchers said.

The readings come as Germany took further steps on Monday to ease restrictions, with museums, hairdressers, churches and more car factories reopening under strict conditions.

About 1.8 million people living in Germany must have been infected, more than 10 times the number of about 160,000 confirmed cases so far, the team led by medical researchers Hendrik Streeck and Gunther Hartmann concluded.

“The results can help to further improve the models to calculate how the virus spreads. So far the underlying data has been relatively weak,” Hartmann said in a statement.

The team analysed blood and nasal swabs from a random sample of 919 people living in a town in the municipality of Heinsberg on the Dutch border, which had among the highest death tolls in Germany.

To arrive at their estimate, the researchers put the town’s number of known deaths from Covid-19 relative to the larger estimate of local people with a prior infection – as indicated by antibody blood test readings – and applied the rate of 0.37% to country-wide deaths.

They also found that about one in five of those infected showed no symptoms."

Caveat being the research is at the moment not peer reviewed, but IF true it shows how incredibly difficult it is for anyone to assess based upon figures and stats at this point.

[xsnaggle]

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I know I've mentioned it before but my big worry is the noises coming from some government sources that pubs will be the last thing allowed to open and maybe not until next year. The people who would rather that pubs never open again are clearly pleased by this, no particular section of society but those who believe that anything enjoyable must be wrong or bad for you, and the argument is probably bouyed by a recent servey result that claimed that 60% of the polulation said it would be unsafe to go to a pub for a long time. But of course as we know from "Yes minister" you can make a poll show anytihng you want just be asking the right questions.

My feeling is that a pub is a lot more than just a place to buy alcohol, it is and always has been the centre of the local community a place to meet friends and to relax after work.
The argument is that crowding in pubs will make them breeding grounds for the virus but if these 60% think it isn't safe they don't have to go. It isn't compulsory. Just because they allow pubs to open doesn't force people to go to them.
But keeping them closed for a long period when everything else is being relaxed is a recipe for a lot of pissed off citizens.
The other thing is that the longer the are forced to stay closed the greater the number that will never open again, further eroding what to people all over the world is seen as a british national institution. There is nothing even remotely like the proper old british pub anywhere else in the world