Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Hilts]

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See what Drakeford has to say today. Probably stay in lockdown for another 3 week period and then staged openings mid Feb onwards. Priority school years, maybe gyms and high street shops after that. Pubs will be the last to open mid to end of March or something I reckon.
The rates are coming down really well in South Wales but we've been burnt before opening things up too quickly.
I would honestly prefer them to take their time and get it right and look towards Easter when many of the vulnerable and over 70's will have had their 2 doses hopefully.

Summer is having it this year!!

No way pubs to sell just alchohol by sometime in March.

May maybe.

[lisvaneblue]

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'political spite', 'she's nuts and dangerous', 'she wouldn't care a shit if AZ stopped supplying', 'score political points'....

And I'm myopic?

Just because I'd have Nicola Sturgeon in charge of this pandemic any day of the week over Boris Johnson? OK.

Your post mentioned nothing about preference for Nicola Sturgeon in the pandemic. You were supporting her publishing confidential contract information. As I said this is purely political and could, once the Eu gets the data, affect the supplies of vaccine to UK.
You seemed more interested in correcting supposed misinformation from national newspapers, even if it meant risking our national vaccine supply chain

[the other bob wilson]

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More good vaccine news, a single dose Belgian vaccine has proved 66 per cent effective (85 per cent for preventing serious cases) - Britain has ordered 30 million doses of this one.

The bad(dish) news is that it was only 57 per cent effective in South Africa, but the makers are looking into whether a double dose would provide different results.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

[xsnaggle]

Re: Coronavirus update

More good vaccine news, a single dose Belgian vaccine has proved 66 per cent effective (85 per cent for preventing serious cases) - Britain has ordered 30 million doses of this one.

The bad(dish) news is that it was only 57 per cent effective in South Africa, but the makers are looking into whether a double dose would provide different results.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

One question on that, not to you but to the people reporting these results.
If the vaccine prevents people from getting the virus in the first place, how can they possibly know that it is more effective in preventing serious cases ? That would be the report on a possible cure I'd think.

Shirley if it works there are no cases serious or other wise and if there are cases serious or not, that means it didn't work.

[Feedback]

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'political spite', 'she's nuts and dangerous', 'she wouldn't care a shit if AZ stopped supplying', 'score political points'....

And I'm myopic?

Just because I'd have Nicola Sturgeon in charge of this pandemic any day of the week over Boris Johnson? OK.

now that is myopic

[Croesy Blue]

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One question on that, not to you but to the people reporting these results.
If the vaccine prevents people from getting the virus in the first place, how can they possibly know that it is more effective in preventing serious cases ? That would be the report on a possible cure I'd think.

Shirley if it works there are no cases serious or other wise and if there are cases serious or not, that means it didn't work.

Because it’s not 100% effective some people still get ill. But those who have got ill have not needed hospital treatment.

[lardy]

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One question on that, not to you but to the people reporting these results.
If the vaccine prevents people from getting the virus in the first place, how can they possibly know that it is more effective in preventing serious cases ? That would be the report on a possible cure I'd think.

Shirley if it works there are no cases serious or other wise and if there are cases serious or not, that means it didn't work.

It doesn't. A vaccine teaches your body how to deal with the virus. It cannot stop you catching it.

[xsnaggle]

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It doesn't. A vaccine teaches your body how to deal with the virus. It cannot stop you catching it.

I get that and accept I was being a little simplistic but it still remains that if someone who has had it then gets a severe attack of the virus it must mean that the vaccine didn't work in the first place.
You shirley cannot say that if a person gets a severe attack after having the vaccine and then recovers that this demonstrates that it works better on people with severe cases than those with mild or no virus problems?
That makes no sense what so ever.

[Hilts]

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I get that and accept I was being a little simplistic but it still remains that if someone who has had it then gets a severe attack of the virus it must mean that the vaccine didn't work in the first place.
You shirley cannot say that if a person gets a severe attack after having the vaccine and then recovers that this demonstrates that it works better on people with severe cases than those with mild or no virus problems?
That makes no sense what so ever.

No it doesnt. But havent seen that anyway.

I dont know about anyone else but dont know what your getting at.

The vaccine even if you get symptoms they are less severe less hospitalsions less death.

I think one of them has a 100 % effectiveness against death. It even may have been hospitalisation.

[Croesy Blue]

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I get that and accept I was being a little simplistic but it still remains that if someone who has had it then gets a severe attack of the virus it must mean that the vaccine didn't work in the first place.
You shirley cannot say that if a person gets a severe attack after having the vaccine and then recovers that this demonstrates that it works better on people with severe cases than those with mild or no virus problems?
That makes no sense what so ever.

I have got no idea what you're getting at.

[xsnaggle]

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I have got no idea what you're getting at.

Simole really. From TOBW's post:

they said that the vaccine works better on people with severe attacks.

If it works they should not be having attacks.

If they are giving it to people who are already suffering from as severe attack then they are using it as a cure not a preventative. (I'm sure they are not actually doing this)

[Croesy Blue]

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Simole really. From TOBW's post:

they said that the vaccine works better on people with severe attacks.

If it works they should not be having attacks.

If they are giving it to people who are already suffering from as severe attack then they are using it as a cure not a preventative. (I'm sure they are not actually doing this)

No vaccines are 100% effective at stopping everyone getting ill.

They aren't giving it to people who are already ill. They give it to people, some people still catch the virus but it stops them getting it severely.

So most people won't get covid, the ones that do still get covid won't get it bad enough to need to go to hospital.

[xsnaggle]

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No vaccines are 100% effective at stopping everyone getting ill.

They aren't giving it to people who are already ill. They give it to people, some people still catch the virus but it stops them getting it severely.

So most people won't get covid, the ones that do still get covid won't get it bad enough to need to go to hospital.

I understand the way it works which is why Iquestioned the statement that it works "66 per cent effective (85 per cent for preventing serious cases) "
It is the reference to serious cases I question. If it works how do they know that Mr A or Mrs B would have had serious effects?
And if they do have serious effect than it hasn't worked.

[Croesy Blue]

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I understand the way it works which is why Iquestioned the statement that it works "66 per cent effective (85 per cent for preventing serious cases) "
It is the reference to serious cases I question. If it works how do they know that Mr A or Mrs B would have had serious effects?
And if they do have serious effect than it hasn't worked.

I don't think know, it's just 85% of people who got ill after taking the vaccine didn't get serious illness when compared to the placebo group.

[lardy]

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I understand the way it works which is why Iquestioned the statement that it works "66 per cent effective (85 per cent for preventing serious cases) "
It is the reference to serious cases I question. If it works how do they know that Mr A or Mrs B would have had serious effects?
And if they do have serious effect than it hasn't worked.

They compare it to a placebo group.