Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[xsnaggle]

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What word?
Here's what I don't understand... You said whatever was allowed had a beneficial effect. How do you work that out? It may not have had the drastic effect that some were predicting... But beneficial?! No chance.

Thats the term he used. People enjoying chisitmas at home and not doing things like catching trains buses etc and not going to work in factories office and so on had a benefical effect on the numbers, as in didn't made them worse than they would have been but in fact helped to supress them.
I know you know what was meant but you're just being a pedant so we'll end our cchat.

[Heisenberg]

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Thats the term he used. People enjoying chisitmas at home and not doing things like catching trains buses etc and not going to work in factories office and so on had a benefical effect on the numbers, as in didn't made them worse than they would have been but in fact helped to supress them.
I know you know what was meant but you're just being a pedant so we'll end our cchat.

Not being pedantic at all. You're just missing my point.

Lockdown had a beneficial effect. We can both agree on that. The things you've mentioned are due to the lockdown.

The criticism aimed at the Govt. was allowing mixing households at Christmas.

Do you think the professor was saying that allowing mixing households had a beneficial effect?

[Veg1960]

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Thats the term he used. People enjoying chisitmas at home and not doing things like catching trains buses etc and not going to work in factories office and so on had a benefical effect on the numbers, as in didn't made them worse than they would have been but in fact helped to supress them.
I know you know what was meant but you're just being a pedant so we'll end our cchat.

How about posting a link to the professor's comments, then we can all form our own opinions about it?

[xsnaggle]

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How about posting a link to the professor's comments, then we can all form our own opinions about it?

Can't or I would 'ave done. I was on World at 1. Radio 4.
But whats to form an opinion about? People alrady have their opinions. This just what 1 professor said. It is what it is.

[Veg1960]

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Can't or I would 'ave done. I was on World at 1. Radio 4.
But whats to form an opinion about? People alrady have their opinions. This just what 1 professor said. It is what it is.

I was just trying to form a clearer picture of the point you were trying to make. If I remember correctly the Christmas relaxation of rules only applied to Christmas day anyway, so no one would have been in factories or on buses in any case

[xsnaggle]

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I was just trying to form a clearer picture of the point you were trying to make. If I remember correctly the Christmas relaxation of rules only applied to Christmas day anyway, so no one would have been in factories or on buses in any case

The point he was making was that many people were saying that allowing a relaxed semi-lockdown over the christmas was the cause of the high number of infections but in reality the figures showed that the opposite was the case.
I'm sorry if you don't get that, I'm bored with this now.

[Eric Cartman]

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The point he was making was that many people were saying that allowing a relaxed semi-lockdown over the christmas was the cause of the high number of infections but in reality the figures showed that the opposite was the case.
I'm sorry if you don't get that, I'm bored with this now.

No, allowing people to do whatever they wanted to in the 3-4 weeks before Christmas was the cause of the spike, cases were far higher then in my area than they are now and we were under no real restrictions at all.

[the other bob wilson]

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Everyone seems to be in agreement that the roll out of vaccines is being handled well, but, as for rewriting history and trying to claim that UK Government dithering and inaction regarding Christmas was somehow a good thing, forget it.

[xsnaggle]

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Everyone seems to be in agreement that the roll out of vaccines is being handled well, but, as for rewriting history and trying to claim that UK Government dithering and inaction regarding Christmas was somehow a good thing, forget it.

I has nothing to do with government, what he was saying was because people were moving around less because of the christmas break there was less passing on of infections so if christmas hadn't happened the numbers would have been even higher. That's all.

[Croesy Blue]

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I has nothing to do with government, what he was saying was because people were moving around less because of the christmas break there was less passing on of infections so if christmas hadn't happened the numbers would have been even higher. That's all.

Yeah but that has nothing to do with the mixing being allowed on Christmas Day, that and what was originally going to be 5 days of mixing, are what people are saying would have led to a big increase.

No one was saying Christmas shouldn’t happen because of the virus.

[the other bob wilson]

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I has nothing to do with government, what he was saying was because people were moving around less because of the christmas break there was less passing on of infections so if christmas hadn't happened the numbers would have been even higher. That's all.

So, there would have been even less passing on of infections if the UK Government had announced a lockdown when it was needed instead of trying to “rescue Christmas” and figures in Wales would have been better if the WAG had been less keen on getting things back to “normal” so quickly after the Firebreak ended in early November. As I said, credit to both Governments for the vaccine, but the people being saved by the rapid rolling out of said vaccine are a drop in the ocean compared to the number who have died in the UK in the last eleven months - I read an article last week that said their success with the vaccine was like scoring a penalty in the last ten minutes when you were 10-0 down as far as the UK Government is concerned, I think that’s a bit cruel, but the sentiment behind it is right.

[xsnaggle]

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Everyone seems to be in agreement that the roll out of vaccines is being handled well, but, as for rewriting history and trying to claim that UK Government dithering and inaction regarding Christmas was somehow a good thing, forget it.

I has nothing to do with government, what he was saying was because people were moving around less because of the christmas break there was less passing on of infections so if christmas hadn't happened the numbers would have been even higher. That's all.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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Thats the term he used. People enjoying chisitmas at home and not doing things like catching trains buses etc and not going to work in factories office and so on had a benefical effect on the numbers, as in didn't made them worse than they would have been but in fact helped to supress them.
I know you know what was meant but you're just being a pedant so we'll end our cchat.

That wasn't the term he used at all.

He said

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The decline in January was almost certainly because of the Christmas period, being as people were staying at home more. Although there were concerns that Christmas may drive the epidemic, the evidence is that Christmas probably reduced the epidemic. Because people were at home, they weren't going out to work. Schools were closed and, since then, case numbers have dropped far more rapidly than I was expecting with this new variant. This is driving my optimism".

The point you are referring to is at around the 17 minute mark on this link.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000rvp7

[Allez Allez Allez]

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So, there would have been even less passing on of infections if the UK Government had announced a lockdown when it was needed instead of trying to “rescue Christmas” and figures in Wales would have been better if the WAG had been less keen on getting things back to “normal” so quickly after the Firebreak ended in early November.

Yes. The evidence is suppressing movement of people suppresses movement of the virus. Amazing that we are nearly a year into this, and this still point is still needed to be made, isn't it?

[lardy]

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That wasn't the term he used at all.

He said

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The decline in January was almost certainly because of the Christmas period, being as people were staying at home more. Although there were concerns that Christmas may drive the epidemic, the evidence is that Christmas probably reduced the epidemic. Because people were at home, they weren't going out to work. Schools were closed and, since then, case numbers have dropped far more rapidly than I was expecting with this new variant. This is driving my optimism".

The point you are referring to is at around the 17 minute mark on this link.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000rvp7

This is a lot more helpful.