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He was governor when they traded over 84000 people,if he was so against it why did he not resign.

I never said he was against it, in fact, Colston invested in the RAC. What I said as that he himself, did not trade, nor own, slaves

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It looks nothing like Edward Colston any more. Job done!

that's because it had a refurb a couple of years ago.

its still Colston Hall, much like we still know the tallest building in Cardiff as the Pearl Assurance.

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It annoys racists, bigots and various other twats.

little things for little minds.

Does it stop racism? Does it relocate all of those forcibly removed from their families and homes? What exactly does it achieve (other than giving the woke generation something to laud over?)

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Far too much hassle. Just rename it. Piece of piss.

what about the Coliseum in Rome, or Chichen Itza - both venues explicitly built where slaves (and in the case of the former, Christians) etc were tortured and put to death - should we pull them down?

what about all the statues and templates built to the Roman Emperors - what about them? How about the Acropolis of Athens where young boys used to be taught pedastry? where do we stop?

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With you here. It's always fun to see them creeping out of the woodwork when issues like this arise.

just to be clear here - those who disagree with your views are racists and bigots? Is that correct.

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Funnily enough, a few years I was on the Isle of Bute and went to Mount Stuart house - a luxury mansion worth hundreds of millions amazingly crafted by some of the best tradesmen around the world. During the guided tour the punters were in awe of so much of the building. I left and hated the experience. Much of the wealth that had gone into building such a palace was from the blood of so many Welshmen.

No doubts that Wales benefitted from the Marquis of Bute and his money, but I couldn't help but feel deeply saddened by the stain on that money.

you are clearly not aware that the houses for the workers built by the Butes were amongst the very best built in the country for the working classes. If you want to see exploitation in South Wales, look towards the Crawshays, not the Butes.

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Well is doesn't top what you said earlier. Why on earth would a city like Bristol want to erect a statue to honour a man for his role, all be it indirect, in slavery. They did it because of his philanthropic role in the city.And I suggested that if you feel so strongly about it you may wish to take some positive action instead of playing armchair politics.

its far easier for the likes of Cyril and Eric to tap away at their keyboard than get out into the real world and make a difference.

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just to be clear here - those who disagree with your views are racists and bigots? Is that correct.

Where have I said that?

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its far easier for the likes of Cyril and Eric to tap away at their keyboard than get out into the real world and make a difference.

Trust me, I have a zero intolerance to not just racism, but all hatred and have challenged views in the flesh when it's been needed.

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Where have I said that?

you wrote this

With you here. It's always fun to see them creeping out of the woodwork when issues like this arise.

in response to this

It annoys racists, bigots and various other twats.

it would appear, prima facie, that you're suggesting this particular topic ergo this thread brings out "the racists, bigots and various other twats".

if you meant something else then perhaps you could elucidate exactly what you meant?

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Does it stop racism? Does it relocate all of those forcibly removed from their families and homes? What exactly does it achieve (other than giving the woke generation something to laud over?)

It annoys people like you. It makes people like you feel uncomfortable. It empowers people who are genuinely opposed to racism and bigotry. It opens up more debate and discussion about the issue of racism. It signals to the racists and bigots that they won’t get things all their own way. It demonstrates that society is changing. It highlights changes in attitudes. It suggests the past is less important than the future. But most of all it annoys people like you.

None of these things make an enormous difference in themselves - not BLM, not tearing down statues, not anti-racism demonstrations, not Kick It Out, not taking the knee, etc. But all of them demonstrate a steady societal shift and all of them annoy people like you, so they all have value.

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what about the Coliseum in Rome, or Chichen Itza - both venues explicitly built where slaves (and in the case of the former, Christians) etc were tortured and put to death - should we pull them down?

what about all the statues and templates built to the Roman Emperors - what about them? How about the Acropolis of Athens where young boys used to be taught pedastry? where do we stop?

We? I don’t know about you, but I haven’t pulled down any statues or renamed any buildings.

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It annoys people like you. It makes people like you feel uncomfortable. It empowers people who are genuinely opposed to racism and bigotry. It opens up more debate and discussion about the issue of racism. It signals to the racists and bigots that they won’t get things all their own way. It demonstrates that society is changing. It highlights changes in attitudes. It suggests the past is less important than the future. But most of all it annoys people like you.

None of these things make an enormous difference in themselves - not BLM, not tearing down statues, not anti-racism demonstrations, not Kick It Out, not taking the knee, etc. But all of them demonstrate a steady societal shift and all of them annoy people like you, so they all have value.

Good post.

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Acknowledging it and doing something about it aren't mutually exclusive though are they?

Put another way, acknowledging something and ignoring something ARE mutually exclusive.

Acknowledgement and action ARE mutually dependant. You can't act if you are oblivious to the problems of the world.

I think some people would like this to be an annual thing like remembrance sunday (just imagine booing that). BLM is not a way of commemorating the heroes of social justice and the victims of authoritarianism. It is a current, ongoing issue.

It has to be a constant thing because white (and some brown) people are treating brown people unfairly now. And tomorrow. And next year.

Fel na ma'i a fel na bydd hi, os na newidith hi.

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It annoys people like you. It makes people like you feel uncomfortable. It empowers people who are genuinely opposed to racism and bigotry. It opens up more debate and discussion about the issue of racism. It signals to the racists and bigots that they won’t get things all their own way. It demonstrates that society is changing. It highlights changes in attitudes. It suggests the past is less important than the future. But most of all it annoys people like you.

None of these things make an enormous difference in themselves - not BLM, not tearing down statues, not anti-racism demonstrations, not Kick It Out, not taking the knee, etc. But all of them demonstrate a steady societal shift and all of them annoy people like you, so they all have value.

What makes you think it annoys me or makes me uncomfortable? I'm not one for idolatry, I take an ambivalent approach to statues. In this respect, tearing it down is petty vandalism, and given the court cases and sentences, the law agrees. Whilst you may think mob behaviour empowers people, BLM was founded on something quite different which was peaceful protest.

My question was about what were they hoping to achieve. To date, you're the only poster who has attempted to answer that particular question, and unless I am mistaken you're saying on its own it won't change a thing, but small incremental changes can make a big change. There may be some merit in this, but FWIW racism is, in my opinion, a learned behaviour. In which case to eradicate racism requires better education of our children or openly discussing with racists why they feel the way they do. Pulling down statues isn't going to achieve that.