Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close

[Rjk]

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Oh really....

https://twitter.com/g900ap/status/1217188217096736771?t=gp268WexTrnaJ6aOSOshog&s=19

[OurManFlint II]

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About 50 countries/elections easily, depends on you you use for references. If that's not "Doesn't tolerate political rivalry." i don't know what the f*** is.

Again, this is not a defense of Putin but people who can't see the parallels and hypocrisy are maddening.

[Raymond Holt]

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USA is far from perfect but has a key difference to Russia , Democracy and freedom of speech .

Freedom of speech. Unless you expose their war crimes, in which case they'll plot to assassinate you, bribe key witnesses to lie in court, leave you to rot in Belmarsh prison, try to extradite you so they can perform a show trial and chuck you in solitary confinement for the rest of your life etc. etc.

Calling the US a democracy is also a bit of a stretch. Same goes for the UK. But they're not as bad as Russia so it's fine.

[lardy]

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About 50 countries/elections easily, depends on you you use for references. If that's not "Doesn't tolerate political rivalry." i don't know what the f*** is.

Again, this is not a defense of Putin but people who can't see the parallels and hypocrisy are maddening.

Not sure what exactly you're replying to here with 50.

The US is in no way an example of how to do things, it's a mess. But it's not comparable to Russia with death and imprisonment.

[Rjk]

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Freedom of speech. Unless you expose their war crimes, in which case they'll plot to assassinate you, bribe key witnesses to lie in court, leave you to rot in Belmarsh prison, try to extradite you so they can perform a show trial and chuck you in solitary confinement for the rest of your life etc. etc.

Calling the US a democracy is also a bit of a stretch. Same goes for the UK. But they're not as bad as Russia so it's fine.

nobody is saying that the USA is perfect, but there is no comparison with Putin.

[lardy]

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nobody is saying that the USA is perfect, but there is no comparison with Putin.

I'd rather be a presidential candidate in the US than Russia, that's for sure.

[Rjk]

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I'd rather be a presidential candidate in the US than Russia, that's for sure.

or a journalist

[life on mars]

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Roman Abramovich has seen his fortune fall by some £650m in a single day, with investors fearing the Chelsea owner's investments could be impacted by the situation between Russia and Ukraine.

Turn the tanks around Vlad mate

[life on mars]

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or a journalist

or anyone

[Raymond Holt]

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nobody is saying that the USA is perfect, but there is no comparison with Putin.

In terms of internal democracy, press freedom etc. relating solely to their own country, then I think that's fair. The US/UK have far more complex and subtle mechanisms for maintaining the status quo.

However, the US and UK have far more influence when it comes to silencing political rivals and manipulating other nations for their own gain. I think OurManFlint II was referring to 50 nations where the US and UK have manipulated a country's leadership through sanctions, sabotage, forced regime change etc. I think 50 is a fairly modest estimate.

[OurManFlint II]

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In terms of internal democracy, press freedom etc. relating solely to their own country, then I think that's fair. The US/UK have far more complex and subtle mechanisms for maintaining the status quo.

However, the US and UK have far more influence when it comes to silencing political rivals and manipulating other nations for their own gain. I think OurManFlint II was referring to 50 nations where the US and UK have manipulated a country's leadership through sanctions, sabotage, forced regime change etc. I think 50 is a fairly modest estimate.

Exactly, it was a point about not suffering political rivalries. 50 is indeed modest.

[OurManFlint II]

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https://twitter.com/g900ap/status/12...6aOSOshog&s=19

not sure what that is for, I do follow the news and i'm not a putin apologist.

Have you read anna politkovskaya, amazing what she went through and did, lucky for her it was quick. The Luke Harding's book is also interesting?

[splott parker]

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Genuine question, why does the USA get involved in trying to ‘clean up’ situations thousands of miles from its shores, very often f*cking things up and making them worse? There are atrocities taking place on their doorstep, 9 shot dead at a funeral at a Mexican border city, Ciudad Juárez, the other day. The city on the USA border has the highest nationwide murder rate, a rate of four a day.

Some shocking things occurring in Central & South America, people fleeing to the US to try and escape the horrors. Yet some Americans complain about illegal immigration, if they channelled a few dollars south of the border in an attempt to clean things up perhaps the rush to the States would slow down. Or is the supply of cocaine important to the nostrils of many Americans, so important that they want to maintain the status quo.

I wonder how many billions of dollars have been spent attempting and failing to clear up problems in places that 90% of Americans couldn’t point out on a map?

[MOZZER2]

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DDoS attack: Multiple websites in #Ukraine are unreachable, including the Ministry of Defence, the Armed Forces, Privatbank, and Oschadbank, the Ukrainian cybersecurity center says.

Many ATM's are down and people are crashing the systems by panicking and try to draw all money at once

[goats]

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Roman Abramovich has seen his fortune fall by some £650m in a single day, with investors fearing the Chelsea owner's investments could be impacted by the situation between Russia and Ukraine.

Turn the tanks around Vlad mate

Isn’t he already announcing he has won? So can now withdraw the forces….. just mental stuff. The west lost apparently.