Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close

[life on mars]

Re: Ukraine Conflict Getting Very Close

Isn’t he already announcing he has won? So can now withdraw the forces…..:shrug: just mental stuff. The west lost apparently.

Oligarchs win "the rule of the few". ... saw through.

[blue matt]

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DDoS attack: Multiple websites in #Ukraine are unreachable, including the Ministry of Defence, the Armed Forces, Privatbank, and Oschadbank, the Ukrainian cybersecurity center says.

Many ATM's are down and people are crashing the systems by panicking and try to draw all money at once

one of the early plays is to destabilize the country you want to invade

[MOZZER2]

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Russia staging false flag operations

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-uk-nato-say-russia-26257302#source=push

[Tuerto]

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Russia staging false flag operations

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...02#source=push

Since when have you started to believe main stream media? Judging by your efforts in the Trump thread. Is it only when it suits you to?

[Wash DC Blue]

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Interested to know who your comments are aimed at, I’ve only see one post siding with Putin in this thread and I’m guessing that he would only call someone comrade if he was taking the piss.

Interested to know what pushed your button enough to ask that question.

[Gofer Blue]

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Two interesting articles in "The Atlantic" journal:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/putin-ukraine-democracy/621465/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/lavrov-russia-diplomacy-ukraine/622075/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB

[tforturton]

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Both very interesting - particularly the second one.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Two interesting articles in "The Atlantic" journal:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/02/putin-ukraine-democracy/621465/

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...b-global-en-GB

Everyone says 'stand up' to Putin, 'be firm', but the harsh reality is that cutting off wealthy Russians from their foreign wealth & assets wouldn't bother Putin 1 bit. Also the pipeline is crucial to Germany and if it is stopped/cut off, Putin has now even bigger markets in China for his gas. And China is the key. There's a 100 years of pent up resentment against the West and China is now in a position to throw it's weight around in a more public, direct manner. Depending on the West's response to any invasion of Ukraine, China will judge when and how to do the same to Taiwan. And because of China, Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine until after the end of the winter olympics, ie Wednesday.

[stan butler]

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Freedom of speech. Unless you expose their war crimes, in which case they'll plot to assassinate you, bribe key witnesses to lie in court, leave you to rot in Belmarsh prison, try to extradite you so they can perform a show trial and chuck you in solitary confinement for the rest of your life etc. etc.

Calling the US a democracy is also a bit of a stretch. Same goes for the UK. But they're not as bad as Russia so it's fine.

Did you study talking shit or did it come natural to you?.

[lardy]

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Everyone says 'stand up' to Putin, 'be firm', but the harsh reality is that cutting off wealthy Russians from their foreign wealth & assets wouldn't bother Putin 1 bit. Also the pipeline is crucial to Germany and if it is stopped/cut off, Putin has now even bigger markets in China for his gas. And China is the key. There's a 100 years of pent up resentment against the West and China is now in a position to throw it's weight around in a more public, direct manner. Depending on the West's response to any invasion of Ukraine, China will judge when and how to do the same to Taiwan. And because of China, Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine until after the end of the winter olympics, ie Wednesday.

Cutting off the ability to spend money abroad is exactly how to hurt the Russians and Putin.

[blue matt]

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Everyone says 'stand up' to Putin, 'be firm', but the harsh reality is that cutting off wealthy Russians from their foreign wealth & assets wouldn't bother Putin 1 bit. Also the pipeline is crucial to Germany and if it is stopped/cut off, Putin has now even bigger markets in China for his gas. And China is the key. There's a 100 years of pent up resentment against the West and China is now in a position to throw it's weight around in a more public, direct manner. Depending on the West's response to any invasion of Ukraine, China will judge when and how to do the same to Taiwan. And because of China, Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine until after the end of the winter olympics, ie Wednesday.

If China sides with Russia and then looks to expand ( they seem to have issues with borders anyway ) then it would be great to see the world shun them, our dependance of China for stuff is not a good place for the world to be, how we ( the rest of the world ) let ourselves get in this situation baffles me

[Swiss Peter]

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If China sides with Russia and then looks to expand ( they seem to have issues with borders anyway ) then it would be great to see the world shun them, our dependance of China for stuff is not a good place for the world to be, how we ( the rest of the world ) let ourselves get in this situation baffles me

Blimey - shun China? Russia too, I guess. Latest is that we are trying to strike deals with individual US States as a national US deal looks a very distant prospect. Who on earth are we going to have left to trade with? Thank goodness that we still have large democracies on our doorstep who share our values. Oh, hang on...

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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If China sides with Russia and then looks to expand ( they seem to have issues with borders anyway ) then it would be great to see the world shun them, our dependance of China for stuff is not a good place for the world to be, how we ( the rest of the world ) let ourselves get in this situation baffles me

the 'west' has been sleepwalking for the past 15yrs as China has made Europe and large parts of Asia and Africa - dependent upon China financially and economically. China ignores international patent/copyright laws, and uses the West's technologies against themselves. China really has got us where they want us..

[xsnaggle]

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Blimey - shun China? Russia too, I guess. Latest is that we are trying to strike deals with individual US States as a national US deal looks a very distant prospect. Who on earth are we going to have left to trade with? Thank goodness that we still have large democracies on our doorstep who share our values. Oh, hang on...

Where on earth did you get that from? I'd genuinely like to know!!!

Also, when you say 'we', do you mean UK or Switzerland?

[Swiss Peter]

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Where on earth did you get that from? I'd genuinely like to know!!!

Also, when you say 'we', do you mean UK or Switzerland?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2...02d8cdf887ccf0

There you go!