40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[jon1959]

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A lack of faith is inaccurate as all individuals place faith in multiple things on a daily basis.

Not blind faith.

More specifically, it's the desire to believe that I am not accountable to any greater being, so I can live my life without any ultimate consequences whatsoever.

Most of us have values, ethics and a moral framework to live our lives. We don't need to aspire to eternity in Valhalla or on a fluffy cloud with a bearded white grandad to feel accountable for our actions.

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[truthpaste]

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Yet you have no clue why humans as opposed to lower forms of life have ethics and morals.

And Christians have never had blind faith.

And eternity is a factor.

[life on mars]

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Yet you have no clue why humans as opposed to lower forms of life have ethics and morals.

And Christians have never had blind faith.

And eternity is a factor.

Well we know Christians are not safe to practice their alleged blind faith freely in many muslim countries, their persecution is quite troubling , “the inconvenient. truth” is that the overwhelming majority – up to 80% or some 245 million – of persecuted religious believers around the world today are Christians. His report went on to suggest that the situation is “arguably coming close to meeting the international definition of genocide”....

No marches for them though .. its not cause that gets folk going or use as a political tool to hijack it for political gain and reaction.

[Wash DC Blue]

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For 20 or so years the accepted wisdom - provided by the scientific community - was that everything started with the 'big bang'. Disgracefully some people dared ask 'what was there before the big bang ?'. They came up with 'there was another big bang before that one.". Well that's settled that then !!

This has always been at the crux of things for me.
Conversely people could ask how god came into being.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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A lack of faith is inaccurate as all individuals place faith in multiple things on a daily basis.
More specifically, it's the desire to believe that I am not accountable to any greater being, so I can live my life without any ultimate consequences whatsoever.

We are talking about theology, if you hadn't noticed
As for the lack of consequences, that's absolute baloney. Japan is less religious than most of Europe but has a lower crime rate.
And most atheists and agnostics don't go around murdering people as they fear no deity. You really have to up your intellectual game, old fruit.

[jon1959]

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Well we know Christians are not safe to practice their alleged blind faith freely in many muslim countries, their persecution is quite troubling , “the inconvenient. truth” is that the overwhelming majority – up to 80% or some 245 million – of persecuted religious believers around the world today are Christians. His report went on to suggest that the situation is “arguably coming close to meeting the international definition of genocide”....

No marches for them though .. its not cause that gets folk going or use as a political tool to hijack it for political gain and reaction.

So you finally care about the Christian churches blown up by the Israelis in Gaza. The marches are for the victims there too.

[truthpaste]

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We are talking about theology, if you hadn't noticed
As for the lack of consequences, that's absolute baloney. Japan is less religious than most of Europe but has a lower crime rate.
And most atheists and agnostics don't go around murdering people as they fear no deity. You really have to up your intellectual game, old fruit.

We are all ultimately talking theology (or making some sort of attempt), so leave the departure into religion well alone, because you are only confusing yourself.

You also said - "In the absence of evidence, folklore is down to interpretation..."

People who have honestly looked at the evidence and like yourself didn't want it to prove to be true - (Josh McDowell - "Evidence that demands a verdict" / The Case for Christ - Lee Strobel (also a book) - have found something very different.

So what sets your research apart and what is the best evidence you have that the Bible is insignificant re the plight of your soul?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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We are all ultimately talking theology (or making some sort of attempt), so leave the departure into religion well alone, because you are only confusing yourself.

You also said - "In the absence of evidence, folklore is down to interpretation..."

People who have honestly looked at the evidence and like yourself didn't want it to prove to be true - (Josh McDowell - "Evidence that demands a verdict" / The Case for Christ - Lee Strobel (also a book) - have found something very different.

So what sets your research apart and what is the best evidence you have that the Bible is insignificant re the plight of your soul?

Is The Bible significant regarding the souls of Jews, Moslems, Buddhists, Sikhs, Shintoists and any life form that may exist in the Universe and light years away? And as for disproving that primitive tosh, I can't disprove the existence of fairies or pixies.
Your arguments are unbelievably weak and to be frank, quite laughable.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I'm off out now to murder a few people and cheat some pensioners out of their savings.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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We are all ultimately talking theology (or making some sort of attempt), so leave the departure into religion well alone, because you are only confusing yourself.

You also said - "In the absence of evidence, folklore is down to interpretation..."

People who have honestly looked at the evidence and like yourself didn't want it to prove to be true - (Josh McDowell - "Evidence that demands a verdict" / The Case for Christ - Lee Strobel (also a book) - have found something very different.

So what sets your research apart and what is the best evidence you have that the Bible is insignificant re the plight of your soul?

Is there a god ?

Please show us proof

No references to he said this , he said that blah blah blah

Not interested

Evidence please

Until then shove it

[truthpaste]

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I'm off out now to murder a few people and cheat some pensioners out of their savings.

If you are not afraid at arriving at a reasonable conclusion then could we have a respectful conversation.
If you like the Sludge only wish to throw rotten fruit and not engage in an adult discussion then just say so.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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If you are not afraid at arriving at a reasonable conclusion then could we have a respectful conversation.
If you like the Sludge only wish to throw rotten fruit and not engage in an adult discussion then just say so.

You Christians and other faiths can answer a simple question ......is there a god , an afterlife etc ? ......by providing EVIDENCE

It's quite simple

I BELIEVE Cardiff City are the greatest team in the history of football in the world !

But EVIDENCE that we can test proves we are a mid table championship team and therefore not even the best team in the UK, never mind the world

If you can't provide any evidence then can you understand why people treat you with such ridicule and cannot have an adult conversation ?

If I am told its raining it can be proved by stepping outside and getting wet

That's evidence

So let's have it

I mean he's very powerful isn't he ? Surely he can prove to us all he exists ?

[truthpaste]

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You Christians and other faiths can answer a simple question ......is there a god , an afterlife etc ? ......by providing EVIDENCE

It's quite simple

I BELIEVE Cardiff City are the greatest team in the history of football in the world !

But EVIDENCE that we can test proves we are a mid table championship team and therefore not even the best team in the UK, never mind the world

If you can't provide any evidence then can you understand why people treat you with such ridicule and cannot have an adult conversation ?

If I am told its raining it can be proved by stepping outside and getting wet

That's evidence

So let's have it

I mean he's very powerful isn't he ? Surely he can prove to us all he exists ?

As we are fans, then we can sing that we are the greatest team the world has ever seen.
We say that with a twinkle in our eyes but keep repeating the excercise decade after decade.
Why? Because it's what we desire to be true, even though deep down we know it's a 1 in 100 shot in our lifetime.

I'm not saying the Bible IS God's Word in the hopeful way that I desire CCFC to dwarf Real Madrid, I'm saying it after over 40 years of research and testing; some of that testing coming from hundreds of skeptics like yourself asking their silver bullet questions; none of which have ever come close to challenging the Word of God. A book that remains the 'best seller" year on year.

You see, you, me and Blue Genie all have a *world view (origin, purpose & destiny), so let's see how they do after being tested by the facts. If either of you have a better world view that can provide more reasonable answers, then we can all can dismiss the Bible, yet if you can't, you'll need to re-evaluate your position.

[jon1959]

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The organiser of the sole Armistice Day event at the Cenotaph in central London has said he hopes the pro-Palestine march in central London on Saturday will go ahead.

Richard Hughes, from the Western Front Association, the charity that holds a commemoration of the fallen of the first world war on 11 November, said his organisation believed in “freedom of speech”.

“I think a lot of people are trying to whip this up,” said Hughes, the association’s legal trustee, who is also responsible for organising the annual commemoration. “The police are not going to let anyone near the Cenotaph. We are a democratic organisation that commemorates those who fought for democracy so free speech is important.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/08/organiser-of-armistice-day-event-at-cenotaph-hopes-pro-palestine-protest-can-go-ahead

[truthpaste]

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The organiser of the sole Armistice Day event at the Cenotaph in central London has said he hopes the pro-Palestine march in central London on Saturday will go ahead.

Richard Hughes, from the Western Front Association, the charity that holds a commemoration of the fallen of the first world war on 11 November, said his organisation believed in “freedom of speech”.

“I think a lot of people are trying to whip this up,” said Hughes, the association’s legal trustee, who is also responsible for organising the annual commemoration. “The police are not going to let anyone near the Cenotaph. We are a democratic organisation that commemorates those who fought for democracy so free speech is important.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...t-can-go-ahead

It's a tragedy that these people voted Hamas in as their 'democracy' January 2006.
Bringing in any group who's key aim is the extermination of Israel is hardly a recipe for a peaceful environment.