Starmer being compared to Enoch Powell now.

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How did that get there!

Listen Sonny

If you have a thing for lads in workout gear that's fine , it's 2025

But after 9pm please

[Heathblue]

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It's the end of the week

Get on with it

I haven't forgot, end of week is 23.59 Sunday evening, us Tax Payers don't get as much free time as the CIH massive, a few sherbets in town last night today might be a bit of a washout.

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I haven't forgot, end of week is 23.59 Sunday evening, us Tax Payers don't get as much free time as the CIH massive, a few sherbets in town last night today might be a bit of a washout.

Clock is ticking

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There are still millions who consider themselves to be centre/left or left wing who feel they are natural Labour voters. It seems to me that this Government is taking them for granted and risk losing them (they’ve, almost certainly, lost my vote) while chasing after the votes of people who, in most cases, would never support them.

Very risky from Starmer and co, particularly as they win with only 23% of the population votes….most people saw through their BS before the election, but it’s certainly almost suicidal how they are going about things. Deluded

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Very risky from Starmer and co, particularly as they win with only 23% of the population votes….most people saw through their BS before the election, but it’s certainly almost suicidal how they are going about things. Deluded

Labour didn't win with 23 percent of the vote , it was higher than that , at least 33 I think

The Tories often won with a low vote percentage in the past but of course we never heard much about that

It happens when in those days the left vote was split between Labour and liberals

At the last election the reverse happened .....a low ish Labour vote won because the Tories and reform were splitting the right wing vote

At present the Labour vote IS around 23 percent .....10 points down on the election which is very bad news for them

The reform vote has increased to around 28 percent ....and on that they would either win outright or form a coalition because they would win the most seats

I personally thing Labour are dead

That doesn't mean people who are left or middle ground liberal are .....a new party needs to emerge in the same for them way reform has provided a home for right wing voters

A Labour, liberal , green coalition would easily get enough votes to keep the Tories and reform out of government

That's the only future really

Because starmer and the liberals and the rest have to accept that that 20 percent is now lost to reform and by trying to play their game with regard to immigration or crime or tax you are talking to people who are not going to listen to facts or reasonable arguments, these people have been desperate for a right wing party waving union jacks for years and now they have it

I was listening to farage speak today and he's a bullshitter and a salesman but he's got charisma and no other leader in the UK has that at the moment ....certainly not starmer , the liberal boss , that tory woman

Getting rid of starmer by Labour is essential but if they don't then they need to merge with the liberals , greens and the rest or its curtains

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I wouldn't vote for Labour again if they carry in with this anti immigrant bullshit.

The UK has always had immigration and we were promised a resetting of our relationship with the EU and wider world after the cluster**** that was 2016 onwards. It hasn't happened and Labour are going for the populist vote rather than good old fashioned social democracy, planning for the long term

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I'm in the 1% too Bob. There's far too many other more serious issues going on for me to get exercised over immigration. There's also far too many of the elite who are wildly happy that us proles get our anger deflected from their own interests.

Is the winning answer. Blames the immigrants, it's cheap. Bread and circuses.

[Eric Cartman]

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I wouldn't vote for Labour again if they carry in with this anti immigrant bullshit.

The UK has always had immigration and we were promised a resetting of our relationship with the EU and wider world after the cluster**** that was 2016 onwards. It hasn't happened and Labour are going for the populist vote rather than good old fashioned social democracy, planning for the long term

Do you think Labours policy is zero/negative net-migration??

[Eric Cartman]

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Is the winning answer. Blames the immigrants, it's cheap. Bread and circuses.

I'd love an example of Starmer blaming immigrants for literally anything?

We have a profit generating sector that relies entirely on shipping people here on min wage to do jobs that none of us in this thread would want to do. We have a literal shit storm coming in terms of welfare spending/non-economically active adults and no real way of solving it. We have a housing crisis. Throw all these things in a pot and tell me how any serious government doesn't focus on getting net migration down and welfare spending down.

[Eric Cartman]

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https://x.com/YouGov/status/1927299701008744781

In other news, trying to work out what/whether British people think becomes harder by the second. Starmer has terrible approval ratings and labour seem to be at low 20s maybe, yet he beats everyone in the above poll. I don't understand what to make of that. I know historically sitting PMs tend to do better than expected but this baffles me.

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I'd love an example of Starmer blaming immigrants for literally anything?

We have a profit generating sector that relies entirely on shipping people here on min wage to do jobs that none of us in this thread would want to do. We have a literal shit storm coming in terms of welfare spending/non-economically active adults and no real way of solving it. We have a housing crisis. Throw all these things in a pot and tell me how any serious government doesn't focus on getting net migration down and welfare spending down.

You seem to have been sucked in too

Instead of getting on with reducing migration starmer has pathetically tried to call back right wing voters who will never support him and his useless home secretary still isn't being specific on numbers of gang master rings they are breaking up

These are the things that will win back moderate voters ....fck the right wing

And his speech just alienates many long term labour voters

Of course with regard to welfare he's employing an SS trained head of DWP in Liz Kendal who does a great job of also pandering to the daily mail voting crew

You don't reduce the welfare bill sensibly by making it harder for genuine claimants....these chronic disabilities don't go away or improve ff sake just because the government makes it increasingly harder to jump through smaller and smaller hoops

There has been a huge backlash against these " reforms " and rightly so

Money should be heavily weighted into improving training opportunities in real work for those with disabilities and crackdowns on fraud in the other direction

Forcing everyone into tighter corners for individually what are meagre meagre amounts of money per person is utterly futile

The welfare bill is the welfare bill ...its always going to be here like the nhs , roads , policing

The cost to the country in terms of health , crime , social cohesion , the economy of not providing a base level is rarely discussed but it's staggering

So sensible and fair welfare and social provision ....which most of us will require at certain points in our lives is vital

This government is bullshitting , it's not doing that , it's scaremongering in order to cut to the bone

Asking someone with a chronic illness like rheumatoid arthritis to attend another assessment.....even after filling in all the relevant forms .....3 years after they did the last one ....is a complete waste of money and resources

If Labour want to cut the welfare bill they could start with that sort of nonsense .....they say that's going to happen but I trust starmer as much as I trust Ian Duncan Smith ......ie not one bit

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https://x.com/YouGov/status/1927299701008744781

In other news, trying to work out what/whether British people think becomes harder by the second. Starmer has terrible approval ratings and labour seem to be at low 20s maybe, yet he beats everyone in the above poll. I don't understand what to make of that. I know historically sitting PMs tend to do better than expected but this baffles me.

I think it's an outlier because the only person who is going to win the next election on present evidence is very sadly Nigel Farage


Since the wins at the recent local elections those who wanted a right wing party to vote for now have one and they are consistently on 28 to 30 percent

Easily enough to either form a coalition with the Tories or govern on their own

It's a shocking indictment of Labour , it was always going to be difficult but they should be polling around 30 percent

Trying to look at them from a distance I don't think any of the current labour government appear to be of any substance and they are led by a lump of wet lettuce

[jon1959]

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You seem to have been sucked in too

Instead of getting on with reducing migration starmer has pathetically tried to call back right wing voters who will never support him and his useless home secretary still isn't being specific on numbers of gang master rings they are breaking up

These are the things that will win back moderate voters ....fck the right wing

And his speech just alienates many long term labour voters

Of course with regard to welfare he's employing an SS trained head of DWP in Liz Kendal who does a great job of also pandering to the daily mail voting crew

You don't reduce the welfare bill sensibly by making it harder for genuine claimants....these chronic disabilities don't go away or improve ff sake just because the government makes it increasingly harder to jump through smaller and smaller hoops

There has been a huge backlash against these " reforms " and rightly so

Money should be heavily weighted into improving training opportunities in real work for those with disabilities and crackdowns on fraud in the other direction

Forcing everyone into tighter corners for individually what are meagre meagre amounts of money per person is utterly futile

The welfare bill is the welfare bill ...its always going to be here like the nhs , roads , policing

The cost to the country in terms of health , crime , social cohesion , the economy of not providing a base level is rarely discussed but it's staggering

So sensible and fair welfare and social provision ....which most of us will require at certain points in our lives is vital

This government is bullshitting , it's not doing that , it's scaremongering in order to cut to the bone

Asking someone with a chronic illness like rheumatoid arthritis to attend another assessment.....even after filling in all the relevant forms .....3 years after they did the last one ....is a complete waste of money and resources

If Labour want to cut the welfare bill they could start with that sort of nonsense .....they say that's going to happen but I trust starmer as much as I trust Ian Duncan Smith ......ie not one bit

This.

[the other bob wilson]

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Starmer’s Labour tries to tell you it’s “working people” they’re backing. It’s clearly deliberate that they talk specifically about working people. Given so many of their actions so far, it appears they don’t give a flying f*ck about people who, for whatever reason, are unable to work.

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Do you think Labours policy is zero/negative net-migration??

Blaming the migrants is succeeding in its intended purpose, masking the inequalities and shortcomings elsewhere. We need significant improvements to funding of education, the health service, national infrastructure. It would be better for us if we documented the migrant when they arrived, gave them a NINO and told they they can stay legally with all the benefits that entails as long as they work. They end end putting more into the system than they take out. After a few years we have a swift process that allows then full leave to stay if they have demonstrated they wish to contribute to our society in a positive way.

The Australian system would work for us, if only our politicians could be so bold.