Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Coronavirus update

Problem is can we believe a man in the room who was sacked in acrimonious circumstances. A YouGov poll in the Daily Mail today said that whilst only 35% thought that Boris Johnson would tell the truth about the pandemic, less than half that (14%) thought that Dominic Cummings would.

Now if Mark Sedwill the former Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Home Civil Service until 2020 confirms some of it that may be a different matter.....

You mean Johnson? It's happened to him at least twice (once for lying) and yet slightly more than one in three think he is telling the truth about the Pandemic (bless em).

Still, imagine what it would have been like if Corbyn had won.

[Jordi Culé]

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Problem is can we believe a man in the room who was sacked in acrimonious circumstances. A YouGov poll in the Daily Mail today said that whilst only 35% thought that Boris Johnson would tell the truth about the pandemic, less than half that (14%) thought that Dominic Cummings would.

Now if Mark Sedwill the former Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Home Civil Service until 2020 confirms some of it that may be a different matter.....

Great last point about getting in Sedwill in and asking him a few questions. Expanding on it why not get Hancock, Whitty, Vallance and Johnson all in and perhaps call it a public inquiry?

Hang on, Johnson hasn’t got time for that he’s too busy dealing with Dilyn the dog.

[Jordi Culé]

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Boris will jump ship soon, getting paid peanuts compared to what he’s used too, loads of flack almost daily....why would anyone want it?
He’d get more for writing a column in a national rag probably....

Boris will get pushed off the plank. He was the means to an end to get Brexit, even some of the the right wing media are wondering aloud how inept and lazy the lying cuunt is?

[surge]

Re: Coronavirus update

Problem is can we believe a man in the room who was sacked in acrimonious circumstances. A YouGov poll in the Daily Mail today said that whilst only 35% thought that Boris Johnson would tell the truth about the pandemic, less than half that (14%) thought that Dominic Cummings would.

Now if Mark Sedwill the former Cabinet Secretary and Head of the Home Civil Service until 2020 confirms some of it that may be a different matter.....

We know that UK government thought they had more time to act so were slow to respond; that the "protective ring around care homes" was a lie; that there was overemphasis on hand washing and even now a lack of emphasis on ventilation/mask wearing as part of bad messaging; and we know SAGE recommended a circuit break fearing things would get out of control and Boris paid attention much later than Sturgeon and Drakeford not wanting to lockdown again with the eventual cost of over half the lives lost to covid.

Dismissing or accepting Cummings blindly would be a mistake. People do like Boris though and are keen to believe nothing more could have been done because alternative is much harder to deal with...some mistakes (see care homes) happened in different parties so no one there to point it out too strongly.

[xsnaggle]

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Not too long ago Cummins was the most vilified person in the UK and people were trying to have him prosecuted for going to Durham when he said he didn't go. Horrible man, peop0le generally agreed, being protected by the government.
now, suddenly, everything he says must be right (According to the BBC yesterday). you can't have it both ways.
I'd suggest that the truth probably lie somewhere in the middle.
What he is saying he is saying to a parliamentary committee and he can say anything he likes without fear of any comeback. But if all the things he says are true why didn't he resign on a point of principle and go to the press with what he allegedly knew then?
The other problem is, like with people remembering things later, people don't remember 100%, they remember their own memory but that is changed by the brain which absorbs thoughts that may have been thought when the person was remembering earlier and by the clamour of media all around them every day, so when the stand up and tell what they saw it is their adjusted memory that is talking, so people hearing must allow for it.
One thing is pretty sure though, he don't like Hancock much.

[surge]

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Not too long ago Cummins was the most vilified person in the UK and people were trying to have him prosecuted for going to Durham when he said he didn't go. Horrible man, peop0le generally agreed, being protected by the government.
now, suddenly, everything he says must be right (According to the BBC yesterday).....

Which bit did you watch? That's not what was said on BBC's Newsnight.

[lardy]

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Not too long ago Cummins was the most vilified person in the UK and people were trying to have him prosecuted for going to Durham when he said he didn't go. Horrible man, peop0le generally agreed, being protected by the government.
now, suddenly, everything he says must be right (According to the BBC yesterday). you can't have it both ways.
I'd suggest that the truth probably lie somewhere in the middle.
What he is saying he is saying to a parliamentary committee and he can say anything he likes without fear of any comeback. But if all the things he says are true why didn't he resign on a point of principle and go to the press with what he allegedly knew then?
The other problem is, like with people remembering things later, people don't remember 100%, they remember their own memory but that is changed by the brain which absorbs thoughts that may have been thought when the person was remembering earlier and by the clamour of media all around them every day, so when the stand up and tell what they saw it is their adjusted memory that is talking, so people hearing must allow for it.
One thing is pretty sure though, he don't like Hancock much.

I don't know about anyone else but I'm quite enjoying the irony of a man who said whatever was needed to get things done his way, including as we all know lying through every orifice, is now in a position where he desperately needs anyone to believe him.

That's why he came across so limp and pathetic.

[xsnaggle]

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Which bit did you watch? That's not what was said on BBC's Newsnight.

I was listening to the 1PM radio programme and later to PM at 5 PM on radio4.

[the other bob wilson]

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I don't know about anyone else but I'm quite enjoying the irony of a man who said whatever was needed to get things done his way, including as we all know lying through every orifice, is now in a position where he desperately needs anyone to believe him.

That's why he came across so limp and pathetic.

I take it you’re talking about Cummings? Did you think all he said was lies? For myself, I’m enjoying the irony of a Prime Minister, Ministers and MPs who were rushing to Cummings’ defence this time last year now trying to have us believe that he’s a serial liar, not to be trusted - if they were right last year, what does that say about them now and if they were wrong then, what does it say about their judgment?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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I take it you’re talking about Cummings? Did you think all he said was lies? For myself, I’m enjoying the irony of a Prime Minister, Ministers and MPs who were rushing to Cummings’ defence this time last year now trying to have us believe that he’s a serial liar, not to be trusted - if they were right last year, what does that say about them now and if they were wrong then, what does it say about their judgment?

What he's said probably has some truth in it. However, someone who takes photos of whiteboards on his phone so he can from use them in evidence a year later would suggest Cummings was the creepy little rat even then - so I would take anything anecdotal from him with a large dose of salt..

[The Lone Gunman]

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What he's said probably has some truth in it. However, someone who takes photos of whiteboards on his phone so he can use them in evidence a year later would suggest Cummings was the creepy little rat even then.

You reckon that's what he was doing? You reckon a year ago (or whenever it was), Cummings knew the whole Covid-19 response would go tits-up and he knew he would be sacked, so he took a picture of the whiteboard so he could use it in evidence at a parliamentary hearing?

I don't. I reckon he took a picture of it as opposed to take physical notes of what was written on it - something that happens in office meetings I attend on a very regular basis.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Cummings , Johnson , Hancock , Patel , Gove

Feck em all , tory vermin

[goats]

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You mean Johnson? It's happened to him at least twice (once for lying) and yet slightly more than one in three think he is telling the truth about the Pandemic (bless em).

Still, imagine what it would have been like if Corbyn had won.

We’d all be dead.....

[goats]

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I take it you’re talking about Cummings? Did you think all he said was lies? For myself, I’m enjoying the irony of a Prime Minister, Ministers and MPs who were rushing to Cummings’ defence this time last year now trying to have us believe that he’s a serial liar, not to be trusted - if they were right last year, what does that say about them now and if they were wrong then, what does it say about their judgment?

Politicians lie for a living dont they? They always have, Bliar and Brown being some of the worst of the lot. Still, they were just Tories anyway (by the end of their reign anyway, at the beginning you all loved them)