Loan Report

[Rjk]

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Kieron Evans got 12 minutes for Newport yesterday as he continues his return from injury, Eli King got 6 minutes for Stevenage and that was it for our nine players on loan in the EFL and non-league. Joel Colwill didn't get on for Exeter and even Joe Thomas has been replaced at Yate.

Add that to the fact that our u-18s, u-21s and first team all lost within 24 hours this weekend then it looks like Ryotaro Tsunoda wins the City player of the weekend award by default. He played the 90 minutes for Kortrijk as they beat Chris Coleman's Oud-Heverlee Leuven 2-0 yesterday, a good result but it still leaves Kortrijk needing snookers to avoid relegation. It's an unusual name so I googled Oud-Heverlee Leuven to find the meaning of it in English. I was told 'it translates to Old-Heverlee Leuven' which might be worth knowing one day. Knowledge is power.

Tsunoda often seems to be the highest rated defender when he plays on a couple of websites I look at (fotmob and who scored - I have no idea how either site generates their player ratings other than it being from opta stats so a big pinch of salt needed).

it's be nice to hear from Kortrijk fans what they make of him - does the loan report budget stretch to an intern in Belgium? or failing that are there any Kortrijk forums I could visit that anyone knows of?

[Loramski]

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Tsunoda often seems to be the highest rated defender when he plays on a couple of websites I look at (fotmob and who scored - I have no idea how either site generates their player ratings other than it being from opta stats so a big pinch of salt needed).

it's be nice to hear from Kortrijk fans what they make of him - does the loan report budget stretch to an intern in Belgium? or failing that are there any Kortrijk forums I could visit that anyone knows of?

There's a forum, and a twitter feed of course, but not only is there a language issue to deal with but what are we going to make of comments and stats relating to Tsunoda, however positive they are? He played every game last season until his injury and Isaak Davies said he was brilliant. He went straight in this season, even though he'd hardly played here, so different managers obviously have the same respect for him. He played in a back 3/5 last season but it seems to be a 4 this season so he's flexible too. Does that mean he'd be a regular here next season or would we be sending him to Exeter on loan? I've no idea.

Bagan struggled to hold down a place in the Belgian Championship last season but that hasn't stopped him from being a regular in our match day squad this. I'd like to think that Tsunoda would be fine here and I hope he can stay fit till pre-season so he at least gets the chance to impress. The injuries are a worry though, he's had a fractured metatarsal, a broken jaw and a hamstring tear in the past three seasons. He makes Aaron Ramsey look like a butcher's dog.

[the other bob wilson]

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Can Tsunoda be that good if a side that defends as badly as we do are prepared to loan him out? To be fair to him, I suppose we should really reserve judgment on him until he.s had a full pre season here.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Can Tsunoda be that good if a side that defends as badly as we do are prepared to loan him out? To be fair to him, I suppose we should really reserve judgment on him until he.s had a full pre season here.

I guess he was sent out on loan again mainly because of the fitness situation rather than anything else, but perhaps the club's management also believe the defenders we've already got are better than they actually are. Take Goutas, for example. I like him, I've always admired his effort and commitment, but let's face it - he's not that great by Championship standards. Nevertheless, it sounds like the club has offered him a new contract.

Tsunoda's 26 in June, so not a kid by any means, even by Cardiff City's standards. Hopefully he can stay fit and we can get a better idea of what he's capable of next season. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he has what it takes because none of the existing central defenders fill me with any confidence.

[the other bob wilson]

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I guess he was sent out on loan again mainly because of the fitness situation rather than anything else, but perhaps the club's management also believe the defenders we've already got are better than they actually are. Take Goutas, for example. I like him, I've always admired his effort and commitment, but let's face it - he's not that great by Championship standards. Nevertheless, it sounds like the club has offered him a new contract.

Tsunoda's 26 in June, so not a kid by any means, even by Cardiff City's standards. Hopefully he can stay fit and we can get a better idea of what he's capable of next season. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that he has what it takes because none of the existing central defenders fill me with any confidence.

We let in seventy goals in the CVhampionship last season. Eric will be able to tell us if that is the most we've let in at this level since promotion in 2003, but I suspect it is and we're on track to llet in more this season. For me, the worst tream we've had in the second tier in the last twenty two years was in 22/23, but I'd take their defence over what we've had in the last two seaso any day of the week..

Dimi Goutas has been at the club for those two seasons and, although he hasn't been a disaster of a signing by any means, he's definitely not another Cedric Kipre, yet he is the closest thing we have to a Kipre repl;acement.

Although I think you have to give the likes of Daland, Fish and Bagan (who I think can become a better centreback than full back) more time in the hope that they develop into the players we think theu can be, I reckon we need a Kevin Ratcliffe, Tony Vidmar type figure to act as an influencer and organiser - I don't think Goutas can perform that function for us.

[Loramski]

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Another win for Kortrijk tonight, 2-1 away at Gent, which puts them 5 points off safety as they enter the six game relegation play offs. Another 90 minutes for Ryotaro Tsunoda too, he made 14 accurate passes and 2 tackles in the game. Don't knock it, that would've been a good season for Nathan Wigg back in the day.

90 minutes for Eli King too as Stevenage got a well earned 1-1 draw at Reading. Eli started in the week too but this was his first full league game since September. Hardly surprising that the local paper said he looked knackered at the end, they gave him their man of the match rating though and were impressed with his all round game.

A rare 79 minutes for Joel Colwill as Exeter drew 1-1 at Rotherham but no action for Jake Dennis, Ryan Wintle or Kieron Evans and no squad places for Kion Etete, Michael Reindorf, Joe Thomas or Baylin Johnson.

[jon1959]

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Thanks again for an informative and entertaining report Loramski.

But I am intrigued by youngish Eli's MOM award.

Do we treat these accolades at face value or is there still a conspiracy of friends and relatives (as suggested during his Ross County days) on speed dial voting to make Eli sound like a clone of Claud Makelele - and our 2025-6 saviour?

I really hope this is the real picture. Whenever I have seen Eli King play he has impressed me (although I may have missed his off days) and i want him to come back next year and be an upgrade on Calum Chambers).

[Loramski]

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Thanks again for an informative and entertaining report Loramski.

But I am intrigued by youngish Eli's MOM award.

Do we treat these accolades at face value or is there still a conspiracy of friends and relatives (as suggested during his Ross County days) on speed dial voting to make Eli sound like a clone of Claud Makelele - and our 2025-6 saviour?

I really hope this is the real picture. Whenever I have seen Eli King play he has impressed me (although I may have missed his off days) and i want him to come back next year and be an upgrade on Calum Chambers).

Definitely seems genuine. If one of Eli's family or friends has gone to the trouble of getting a job on Stevenage's local paper just to give him 7.5 but say he needs to get forward more then they probably need to re-evaluate their life choices.

I really can't work out what's happening at Stevenage. I expected Eli to coast through this season but it seems to have been a struggle for him. Whether he had fitness issues or other problems I don't know but he's certainly having a stronger second half to the season and, like Tsunoda, should be turning up to pre-season here in a more positive frame of mind. While people were writing the pair of them off around Xmas and pencilling Joel Colwill and maybe Michael Reindorf in as starters next season, there's been a turnaround in the past couple of months.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Another win for Kortrijk tonight, 2-1 away at Gent, which puts them 5 points off safety as they enter the six game relegation play offs. Another 90 minutes for Ryotaro Tsunoda too, he made 14 accurate passes and 2 tackles in the game. Don't knock it, that would've been a good season for Nathan Wigg back in the day.

90 minutes for Eli King too as Stevenage got a well earned 1-1 draw at Reading. Eli started in the week too but this was his first full league game since September. Hardly surprising that the local paper said he looked knackered at the end, they gave him their man of the match rating though and were impressed with his all round game.

A rare 79 minutes for Joel Colwill as Exeter drew 1-1 at Rotherham but no action for Jake Dennis, Ryan Wintle or Kieron Evans and no squad places for Kion Etete, Michael Reindorf, Joe Thomas or Baylin Johnson.

Liking the Nathan Wigg reference. I played alongside Wiggy up to u10s. It was always quite weird watching him play for Cardiff City.

[Loramski]

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Liking the Nathan Wigg reference. I played alongside Wiggy up to u10s. It was always quite weird watching him play for Cardiff City.

I think it was quite weird for all of us watching him play for Cardiff City.

An article here where the Bristol Rovers manager explains why Michael Reindorf hasn't been making the match day squads lately. Slightly surprising to me. They got beat 5-0 on Saturday and 'lacked energy' so I'd expect him to be back in on Saturday if he trains better this week.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/inigo-calderon-details-michael-reindorfs-10029916

[LA Bluebird]

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That would be an odd one, he's never lacked any energy for us when he's made a cameo. You do read every so often about a loanee who drops down a division or two and gives it the big one or feels he's too good for that level, I'd hope that's not the case.

I wonder if he lacks energy what one might report about Kanga's time here?

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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That would be an odd one, he's never lacked any energy for us when he's made a cameo. You do read every so often about a loanee who drops down a division or two and gives it the big one or feels he's too good for that level, I'd hope that's not the case.

I wonder if he lacks energy what one might report about Kanga's time here?

It does seem out of character from his U21s performances and, like you said, his cameos. Obviously something not working out there.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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It was Rovers who lacked energy when they got beat 5-0. The report suggests Reindorf's performances haven't been up to much in training.

[Loramski]

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That would be an odd one, he's never lacked any energy for us when he's made a cameo. You do read every so often about a loanee who drops down a division or two and gives it the big one or feels he's too good for that level, I'd hope that's not the case.

I wonder if he lacks energy what one might report about Kanga's time here?

As BoA says, the 'lacking energy' was how Calderon described Rovers' performance at Lincoln. That threw me because they'd had two tough games already that week so he should've been expecting a drop off and if he wanted some fresh legs in the team then Reindorf would've seemed an obvious choice. As you say, he's never lacked energy for us, he's been like Tigger on speed whenever I've seen him.

So there's obviously a problem and we can only speculate what that is. The thing I've wondered about him is what went wrong at Norwich. He seemed to be very highly rated there one minute but sent out on loan to the 7th tier and then on his way here the next. Again, we can only speculate about that. Maybe you're right that he acts the big shot at times and that's flared up again now but it's odd because I didn't see any of that in our u-21s, he gave everything and was a team player.

[olderblue]

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As BoA says, the 'lacking energy' was how Calderon described Rovers' performance at Lincoln. That threw me because they'd had two tough games already that week so he should've been expecting a drop off and if he wanted some fresh legs in the team then Reindorf would've seemed an obvious choice. As you say, he's never lacked energy for us, he's been like Tigger on speed whenever I've seen him.

So there's obviously a problem and we can only speculate what that is. The thing I've wondered about him is what went wrong at Norwich. He seemed to be very highly rated there one minute but sent out on loan to the 7th tier and then on his way here the next. Again, we can only speculate about that. Maybe you're right that he acts the big shot at times and that's flared up again now but it's odd because I didn't see any of that in our u-21s, he gave everything and was a team player.

I really enjoy reading this type of stuff about the up and coming players and the detail that goes into it, along with TOBW and Eric’s stats I’m always impressed that someone has spent so much time to put the information out there.

With so many players out on loan this season (it seems like more than normal this season?)

I guess some questions will have to be asked as to what real benefit we’re getting from it?

Unless I’ve missed something, not one of our players has been an outstanding success whilst on loan, although King does seem to be receiving more plaudits now.

Are we expecting too much from having players out on loan?

I guess it means they might mature quicker if they are away from their home environment, but looking at the situation with Reindorf, could it be as simple that the Rovers coach is desperate for points and only trusting more experienced players in that position?

Because if that’s the case, then there is really nothing to be gained from sending players out there

If the coaching staff were any better, then surely they would be working further up the football pyramid?

I know players develop at different times, or maybe some of the players have been overhyped and are just not good enough?

Or is it just as simple as any game time in senior football is better than U21 league?