Attendances holding up well

[Mr Ducie]

Re: Attendances holding up well

So, what do you think are more important? Impressions or facts?

Facts as in what he actually said.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Attendances holding up well

The last 16 years have been very good. Historically there have been impressive attendance figures particularly between 1946 and 1955 with some attendance figures over 60,000. FA Cup games with Leeds in 72, Everton in 78 ? Hereford in 76 ? And we hold the Third Division South attendance record of over 49,200

Right. So you're agreeing with me that City have often had the ability to draw big crowds for isolated games. We all know that. But maintaining such attendances? A different story altogether. And comparisons to other clubs? Not so impressive.

Also, I think 'very good' is pushing it for the last 16 years....

[The Lone Gunman]

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Facts as in what he actually said.

Are you a Trump supporter perchance?

The fact that somebody says something doesn't make it true.

[Rjk]

Re: Attendances holding up well

I'm calling him media trained and not stupid TWG1. I'm also pretty sure that when a manager says that the fans of his current club are the best in the world they don't necessarily mean it. No harm in it, they're just playing the game

sheep sheep your a liar

[Mr Ducie]

Re: Attendances holding up well

Right. So you're agreeing with me that City have often had the ability to draw big crowds for isolated games. We all know that. But maintaining such attendances? A different story altogether. And comparisons to other clubs? Not so impressive.

Also, I think 'very good' is pushing it for the last 16 years....

Looking at the data we are the 34th best supported club in terms of support, mid table championship,yet we have only been in the top flight twice in 70 years.

Have out attendances ever been inflated by large away support like other clubs in Lancashire, Yorkshire, midlands and the South East , probably not.

[Mr Ducie]

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Are you a Trump supporter perchance?

The fact that somebody says something doesn't make it true.

What’s politics got to do with attendance figures

Are you a trump supporter?

[The Lone Gunman]

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Looking at the data we are the 34th best supported club in terms of support, mid table championship....

Exactly what I said earlier in this thread, but that was apparently talking the club down...

[Mr Ducie]

Re: Attendances holding up well

Exactly what I said earlier in this thread, but that was apparently talking the club down...

You also said the club was not as big as some supporters think it is. I think you’re wrong so have tried to offer some perspective.

[The Lone Gunman]

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You also said the club was not as big as some supporters think they are. I think you’re wrong so have tried to offer some perspective.

I said: "In terms of attendances, Cardiff City is a mid-ranking second tier club with the potential to attract reasonably big attendances for occasional games."

You have subsequently suggested that, in terms of attendances, Cardiff City is a mid-ranking second tier club with the potential to attract reasonably big attendances for occasional games.

I also said: "It's a big club by League One standards, but not as big as some people seem to believe."

You apparently believe that's not true, but I'm certain it is. Here's my logic:

The following are the top three average attendances for League One in each of the last five seasons:

2021/22:

33,062 - Sunderland
22,908 - Sheffield Wednesday
21,779 - Ipswich Town

2022/23:

27,259 - Derby County
26,184 - Ipswich Town
25,647 - Sheffield Wednesday

2023/24:

27,278 - Derby County
23,193 - Bolton Wanderers
18,953 - Portsmouth

2024/25:

26,326 - Birmingham City
21,325 - Bolton Wanderers
18,817 - Huddersfield Town

2025/26 (at present):

21,853 - Bolton Wanderers
20,588 - Bradford City
18,898 - Cardiff City

[Mr Ducie]

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I said: "In terms of attendances, Cardiff City is a mid-ranking second tier club with the potential to attract reasonably big attendances for occasional games."

You have subsequently suggested that, in terms of attendances, Cardiff City is a mid-ranking second tier club with the potential to attract reasonably big attendances for occasional games.

I also said: "It's a big club by League One standards, but not as big as some people seem to believe."

You apparently believe that's not true, but I'm certain it is. Here's my logic:

The following are the top three average attendances for League One in each of the last five seasons:

2021/22:

33,062 - Sunderland
22,908 - Sheffield Wednesday
21,779 - Ipswich Town

2022/23:

27,259 - Derby County
26,184 - Ipswich Town
25,647 - Sheffield Wednesday

2023/24:

27,278 - Derby County
23,193 - Bolton Wanderers
18,953 - Portsmouth

2024/25:

26,326 - Birmingham City
21,325 - Bolton Wanderers
18,817 - Huddersfield Town

2025/26 (at present):

21,853 - Bolton Wanderers
20,588 - Bradford City
18,898 - Cardiff City

Perspective

Ipswich were offering free season tickets to juniors as were Bradford and Huddersfield.

Nobody is saying Cardiff is bigger than Sunderland Sheffield Wednesday and recently long established Premier League club Bolton.

Bolton are pretty moderate looking at the data we

https://european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/league/bolw.htm

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Attendances holding up well

I said: "In terms of attendances, Cardiff City is a mid-ranking second tier club with the potential to attract reasonably big attendances for occasional games."

You have subsequently suggested that, in terms of attendances, Cardiff City is a mid-ranking second tier club with the potential to attract reasonably big attendances for occasional games.

I also said: "It's a big club by League One standards, but not as big as some people seem to believe."

You apparently believe that's not true, but I'm certain it is. Here's my logic:

The following are the top three average attendances for League One in each of the last five seasons:

2021/22:

33,062 - Sunderland
22,908 - Sheffield Wednesday
21,779 - Ipswich Town

2022/23:

27,259 - Derby County
26,184 - Ipswich Town
25,647 - Sheffield Wednesday

2023/24:

27,278 - Derby County
23,193 - Bolton Wanderers
18,953 - Portsmouth

2024/25:

26,326 - Birmingham City
21,325 - Bolton Wanderers
18,817 - Huddersfield Town

2025/26 (at present):

21,853 - Bolton Wanderers
20,588 - Bradford City
18,898 - Cardiff City

Facts are facts, there are bigger supported clubs, mostly because there is feck all else to do in most of them.

We are a decent-sized club, in a City where football has a lot of competition from other sports and attractions, which has an impact on attendance.

[Rjk]

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Facts are facts, there are bigger supported clubs, mostly because there is feck all else to do in most of them.

We are a decent-sized club, in a City where football has a lot of competition from other sports and attractions, which has an impact on attendance.

not really much to do with there being any more to do in Cardiff than any other similarly sized city - more that we were stuck in the lower leagues for 20 years at the same time there was a massive boom in watching football on TV

[The Lone Gunman]

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Nobody is saying Cardiff is bigger than Sunderland Sheffield Wednesday and recently long established Premier League club Bolton.

Bolton are pretty moderate looking at the data

In a thread a couple of weeks ago, some contributors were literally saying that playing Cardiff would be the biggest game most League One clubs have had in years.

As for Bolton, are you daring to suggest that a club which has had higher attendances than us for the last three seasons (two of which they spent in League One while we were in the Championship) are just 'pretty moderate'? If so, stop talking Cardiff City down!

[Mr Ducie]

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In a thread a couple of weeks ago, some contributors were literally saying that playing Cardiff would be the biggest game most League One clubs have had in years.

As for Bolton, are you daring to suggest that a club which has had higher attendances than us for the last three seasons (two of which they spent in League One while we were in the Championship) are just 'pretty moderate'? If so, stop talking Cardiff City down!

The whole debate is not about three seasons though is it

[The Lone Gunman]

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The whole debate is not about three seasons though is it

I literally have no idea what the debate (if it can be described as such) actually is, at least where you're concerned.

You've spent half of this thread agreeing with me while telling me I'm wrong.

In another thread, you suggested that my brain is wired differently to yours. I'm just thankful for small mercies.