Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

[az city]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

1 - you give a fkk cos you replied. I just said it's mental hearing such a comment and people cheering. And it is.

2 - I don't remotely think it's an equalising argument.

3 - I'm not saying it justifies the riots in any way.

0/3.

And why shouldn't people talk about it? It was the second story on the BBC 10 o'clock news FFS. It's worthy of mention. It's Sludge that escalates things with his usual personal insults.

Jimbo, same tactics again of muddying the waters? Why not just stick to the rioters and their behaviour? I think we all know why.

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

Jimbo, same tactics again of muddying the waters? Why not just stick to the rioters and their behaviour? I think we all know why.

The story was the second story on the BBC news last night. Are you saying that it can't be commented upon?

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

That article is something of an exercise in the bleeding obvious isn’t it?

I’m quite quiet on this board lately because the Government responsible for creating the sort of conditions that played such a part in making the UK the country it is today have gone. So far, the new Government have been as wishy washy as I feared they would be, except when it comes to Starmer dealing with the left in his party.

However, I don’t think a Government of any colour that has only been in power for a month can be held directly responsible for the riots and even the Conservative Governments since 2010 can only be held responsible up to a degree.

I don’t think anyone is denying that life is hard for certain people in all areas of the UK, so why is it that two of the countries that make up our country have seen no riots (the attempt to start one in Cardiff last weekend was a dismal flop)? Why is it that other members of the public in the cities in England that were exactly the sort of places which were thought to be prime candidates for such disturbances (eg Middlesbrough and Liverpool) were on the streets the following clearing up the mess and damage left by the rioters?

The ages of many of the people jailed so far are an eye opener - middle aged or even old men who are, for me, beyond redemption. Governments whether red or blue could have done far more to make the lives of the thugs and louts who were arrested, charged and, probably, jailed better, but it wouldn’t have made any difference to how they think and they are the sort of bastards who respond when the likes of Robinson whistles.

And before you start, that Labour councillor is just as bad and he deserves everything he gets.

I'm not sure about bleeding obvious, as it clearly isn't to many, but, yes, I think the general state of the country (and others) is ripe for major disorder to occur when sparked by otherwise unrelated events. Many causes of course; social, political, technological etc and interesting to discuss the various reasons but they do exist. None of which justifies criminality in anyway, but it does help to understand some of it, and hopefully prevent it occuring in the future.

I'm not going to "start" on anyone. I just said it's mental to have an elected politician talking about throat slitting and having people cheer the comments. Was me who "got started upon" for saying that, not the other way around.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

I'm not sure about bleeding obvious, as it clearly isn't to many, but, yes, I think the general state of the country (and others) is ripe for major disorder to occur when sparked by otherwise unrelated events. Many causes of course; social, political, technological etc and interesting to discuss the various reasons but they do exist. None of which justifies criminality in anyway, but it does help to understand some of it, and hopefully prevent it occuring in the future.

I'm not going to "start" on anyone. I just said it's mental to have an elected politician talking about throat slitting and having people cheer the comments. Was me who "got started upon" for saying that, not the other way around.

What’s to understand about setting fire to hotels with immigrants and staff (who could have been the sort of people the racists tell us they are fighting for) inside? What’s understandable about burning down citizen’s advice bureaus and libraries and what’s understandable about looting shoe shops and Greggs branches? You’re coming across as defending the indefensible.

I said before you start because a reference to the Labour councillor in your reply was inevitable if I hadn’t mentioned him.

[Dorcus]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

I'm not sure about bleeding obvious, as it clearly isn't to many, but, yes, I think the general state of the country (and others) is ripe for major disorder to occur when sparked by otherwise unrelated events. Many causes of course; social, political, technological etc and interesting to discuss the various reasons but they do exist. None of which justifies criminality in anyway, but it does help to understand some of it, and hopefully prevent it occuring in the future.

I'm not going to "start" on anyone. I just said it's mental to have an elected politician talking about throat slitting and having people cheer the comments. Was me who "got started upon" for saying that, not the other way around.

It's also mental to have an MP and other social media agent provocateurs inciting numbskulls to set fire to hotels, trash libraries and attack mosques and law offices.

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

What’s to understand about setting fire to hotels with immigrants and staff (who could have been the sort of people the racists tell us they are fighting for) inside? What’s understandable about burning down citizen’s advice bureaus and libraries and what’s understandable about looting shoe shops and Greggs branches? You’re coming across as defending the indefensible.

I said before you start because a reference to the Labour councillor in your reply was inevitable if I hadn’t mentioned him.

I've literally said not of it justifies it.

Are you saying there is zero interest socially in psychologically in why criminality happens? You've never taken an interest in any of that?

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

It's also mental to have an MP and other social media agent provocateurs inciting numbskulls to set fire to hotels, trash libraries and attack mosques and law offices.

It absolutely is, although I'm not sure an MP has done that have they?

[Dorcus]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

That article is something of an exercise in the bleeding obvious isn’t it?

I’m quite quiet on this board lately because the Government responsible for creating the sort of conditions that played such a part in making the UK the country it is today have gone. So far, the new Government have been as wishy washy as I feared they would be, except when it comes to Starmer dealing with the left in his party.

However, I don’t think a Government of any colour that has only been in power for a month can be held directly responsible for the riots and even the Conservative Governments since 2010 can only be held responsible up to a degree.

I don’t think anyone is denying that life is hard for certain people in all areas of the UK, so why is it that two of the countries that make up our country have seen no riots (the attempt to start one in Cardiff last weekend was a dismal flop)? Why is it that other members of the public in the cities in England that were exactly the sort of places which were thought to be prime candidates for such disturbances (eg Middlesbrough and Liverpool) were on the streets the following clearing up the mess and damage left by the rioters?

The ages of many of the people jailed so far are an eye opener - middle aged or even old men who are, for me, beyond redemption. Governments whether red or blue could have done far more to make the lives of the thugs and louts who were arrested, charged and, probably, jailed better, but it wouldn’t have made any difference to how they think and they are the sort of bastards who respond when the likes of Robinson whistles.

And before you start, that Labour councillor is just as bad and he deserves everything he gets.

In all fairness I don't think Starmer has been wishy washy with his stance on law and order so far. I already feel a lot safer under his leadership than ever I would have under the past 4 Tory prime ministers. Sunak would probably have handed Musk an honorary knighthood and the Crown Jewels and Johnson may well have elevated our Tommy to Lord Yaxley-Lennon.

Nevertheless I do have a reservation about the police tactics in general. Why are they always using large shields and in a defensive formation instead of actively confronting the rioters and taking them out as quickly as possible? I'd also advocate the use of water cannons and rubber bullets to clear the streets as soon as possible.

[Dorcus]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

It absolutely is, although I'm not sure an MP has done that have they?

Yes I'm sure they have. I'm glad you agree.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

I've literally said not of it justifies it.

Are you saying there is zero interest socially in psychologically in why criminality happens? You've never taken an interest in any of that?

So, what’s your point? I saw at least one video where parents were taking their kids to the riots and were doing nothing when the children started throwing things. I also saw a Channel 4 feature including video of a gang of teenagers walking casually down a side street in Middlesbrough throwing stones through windows where families were watching television or having a meal. Would Government intervention and “understanding” have changed the mind set of those parents and would it have produced a different reaction from those kids?

I use Twitter mainly to read and post about football and don’t come across the sort of behaviour that the site has a reputation for. However in the past week or so, I’ve gone down the rabbit hole where the “far right” live and the oft used description of “cesspit” doesn’t go far enough. If you want to know what makes people behave like they did since the Southport murders, I don’t think you could do much better than reading stuff like that day after day, hour after hour with no dissenting voices to maybe make you consider what you were saying - obsession is rarely a good thing and it certainly isn’t here.

For me, making the proprietors of sites like Twitter much more responsible for the content they allow would have far more effect than studies into what motivates the worst of the rioters.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

On the basis of that, you have to imagine that councillor who told people to slit throats is in a spot of bother. He's in an influential role, feasible to suggest people might listen to him and he is instructing them to murder people.

Absolutely

6 months

No defence of that

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

Very harsh, compare that to rapists and blokes stabbing people saying it was an accident, and getting off with man slaughter, just making examples while real hardened criminals do whatever they want for years.

Yes they are idiots but there is one rule for one and one for another, but I suppose we already know that as football fans, and we all know they are just making examples of people to stop future riots.

They had better be consistent in the future, people won't tolerate any more two-tier policing now it's been raised and in the public domain.

Today 2 Asian men got 2 and a half years and 18 months for affray at the weekend

I would say that's clear evidence that this two tier policing bollocks from right wing people like you is rubbish

What do you think ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

How long will the two women punching idiots in Manchester airport get, it had better be a long time after these tough sentences, they caused riots and assaulted police officers.

I would imagine they will get 6 months which is pretty standard for assault

The people sentenced for riot are getting heavy sentences because the law states that riot , violent disorder is a very serious offence

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/29728128/wheelie-bin-cops-violent-disorder/

Classy Chick

[Dorcus]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

The single encouraging circumstance to emerge from all this has been the fantastic display of solidarity with the poor immigrant community demonstrated spontaneously by ordinary people wherever there have been riots

What a heartening and poignant comparoison between upright, genuine folk, many elderly as witnessed by the "grans against fascists" placards, and the beer swilling, mentally impoverished louts intent on causing mayhem and fracturing communities.

No doubt the stark contrast might hopefully make some rethink the nonsense they are carrying in their heads.