Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

No doubt, I just wondered why you had never mentioned it before

I had. Do you honestly think I would have set up a thread after the 2011 riots with a title such as this?

[Dorcus]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

Of course there was a diverse range of different people involved in the various protests, disturbances and the like, whether it's the post Southport murder riots or BLM, Palestine, Paris, statue topping or anything else you care to mention.

The idea that everyone has the same background, motivation and set of core beliefs is plainly wrong.

All very true if one wishes to be pedantic but of course there were two fundamental links to the violence. For tonight's star prize can you identify them? By the way you get half a point if you only get one but you miss out on free cancellation of your UnHerd and Guido accounts!

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

All very true if one wishes to be pedantic but of course there were two fundamental links to the violence. For tonight's star prize can you identify them? By the way you get half a point if you only get one but you miss out on free cancellation of your UnHerd and Guido accounts!

Two fundamental links to violence generally or to the post Southport riots?

No subscriptions needed - they are free. You should give them a go as part of a balanced diet, especially unherd which is often thought provoking.

[Dorcus]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

Two fundamental links to violence generally or to the post Southport riots?

No subscriptions needed - they are free. You should give them a go as part of a balanced diet, especially unherd which is often thought provoking.

I'm talking about the Southport riots and the subsequent fascist riots throughout the country. Not others.

The poor standard and biased nature of reporting at UnHerd would not allow this to be revealed to it's readership but the two fundamental links to the chaos are:

A) Right wing populists promoting the myth about immigration problems in an effort to stoke up tension and disruption, notably with megaphone tactics.

B) Those provoked into subsequent action emanating exclusively from the lowest demographic in terms of intellectual capacity, education, social status, moral persuasion and societal engagement.

Tim Montgomerie would be apoplectic if he caught any of his staff promoting the truth.

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

I'm talking about the Southport riots and the subsequent fascist riots throughout the country. Not others.

The poor standard and biased nature of reporting at UnHerd would not allow this to be revealed to it's readership but the two fundamental links to the chaos are:

A) Right wing populists promoting the myth about immigration problems in an effort to stoke up tension and disruption, notably with megaphone tactics.

B) Those provoked into subsequent action emanating exclusively from the lowest demographic in terms of intellectual capacity, education, social status, moral persuasion and societal engagement.

Tim Montgomerie would be apoplectic if he caught any of his staff promoting the truth.

If the Unherd article analysis that the rioters could fit into a variety of different types is not to your taste and that in fact they were a homogeneous group of fascists (in your words) can you point to a better article that demonstrates that?

I'm not sure what you think the article is bias towards? The truth perhaps? The social sciences? I'm not sure.

On your other points;

A) You have to consider that it isn't a myth and that very high levels of immigration does come with costs (as well as benefits) and that these arent equally distributed

B) Probably the most classist and snobby thing I've read on here, although it is true that those involved in the riots would be disproportionately working class.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

If the Unherd article analysis that the rioters could fit into a variety of different types is not to your taste and that in fact they were a homogeneous group of fascists (in your words) can you point to a better article that demonstrates that?

I'm not sure what you think the article is bias towards? The truth perhaps? The social sciences? I'm not sure.

On your other points;

A) You have to consider that it isn't a myth and that very high levels of immigration does come with costs (as well as benefits) and that these arent equally distributed

B) Probably the most classist and snobby thing I've read on here, although it is true that those involved in the riots would be disproportionately working class.

You defending that unherd site is another embarrassing show

It's gutter politics disguised as being clever

I really don't think you are this much of an idiot , it's your ego driving you on

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

I'm talking about the Southport riots and the subsequent fascist riots throughout the country. Not others.

The poor standard and biased nature of reporting at UnHerd would not allow this to be revealed to it's readership but the two fundamental links to the chaos are:

A) Right wing populists promoting the myth about immigration problems in an effort to stoke up tension and disruption, notably with megaphone tactics.

B) Those provoked into subsequent action emanating exclusively from the lowest demographic in terms of intellectual capacity, education, social status, moral persuasion and societal engagement.

Tim Montgomerie would be apoplectic if he caught any of his staff promoting the truth.

Tim Montgomerie

Compassionate Conservative ?

The two don't join at the hip

Force unwell people back to work .....but we are compassionate......we are conservatives

PS ......we are also Christians

Absolutely laughable

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

You defending that unherd site is another embarrassing show

It's gutter politics disguised as being clever

I really don't think you are this much of an idiot , it's your ego driving you on

If you had actually been on the site, which you plainly haven't, you have just labeled it in your own binary way as "not left wing" then you would see there is a wide range of diverse articles that challenge a few narratives.

https://unherd.com

I can see why you wouldn't like it.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

Unherd ......for people who like to think for themselves ......cough .....and are honestly not linked to any political party

As long as its right wing


Ff sake

It's like Hitler reading a load of books by Ghenghis Khan and saying .....hey have a read of this , I think he's talking a lot of sense lads !

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

If the Unherd article analysis that the rioters could fit into a variety of different types is not to your taste and that in fact they were a homogeneous group of fascists (in your words) can you point to a better article that demonstrates that?

I'm not sure what you think the article is bias towards? The truth perhaps? The social sciences? I'm not sure.

On your other points;

A) You have to consider that it isn't a myth and that very high levels of immigration does come with costs (as well as benefits) and that these arent equally distributed

B) Probably the most classist and snobby thing I've read on here, although it is true that those involved in the riots would be disproportionately working class.

Geezers, scallies and losers....erudite and perceptive analysis. The lowest demographic in terms of intellectual capacity, education, social status, moral persuasion and societal engagement....classist and snobby.

That's what I call holding a consistent narrative!

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

Unherd ......for people who like to think for themselves ......cough .....and are honestly not linked to any political party

As long as its right wing


Ff sake

It's like Hitler reading a load of books by Ghenghis Khan and saying .....hey have a read of this , I think he's talking a lot of sense lads !

Jesus Christ you are mad 🤣

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

Geezers, scallies and losers....erudite and perceptive analysis. The lowest demographic in terms of intellectual capacity, education, social status, moral persuasion and societal engagement....classist and snobby.

That's what I call holding a consistent narrative!

Yes but the difference is that the article presents that as one type of rioter..and expands upon it greatly. Whereas Ducky doesn't. That's the sum of his analysis.

What do you think? Each and every person caught up in the riots came from an identical background and and with the same motivation? Or not?

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

Yes but the difference is that the article presents that as one type of rioter..and expands upon it greatly. Whereas Ducky doesn't. That's the sum of his analysis.

What do you think? Each and every person caught up in the riots came from an identical background and and with the same motivation? Or not?

Love the binary question from the man of self proclaimed nuance.

I think I said earlier that in my opinion the location and timing of the protests was arranged on line by people fanning the flames and the major proportion of those attending did so as a result of social media or word of mouth because they believed in the justification of their actions.

Undoubtedy others rushed to the sound of conflict and others fell out of pubs but you seem to think that this somehow diminishes the central threat of EDL mobs torching and threatening anything that they perceived as foreign and alien. It's not some great kind of get out explainer that some ocassional journalist who seems at home interpreting Tommy Robinson's plans thinks it is by creating trite groupings and trying to give them equal importance and equivalence.

[JamesWales]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

Love the binary question from the man of self proclaimed nuance.

I think I said earlier that in my opinion the location and timing of the protests was arranged on line by people fanning the flames and the major proportion of those attending did so as a result of social media or word of mouth because they believed in the justification of their actions.

Undoubtedy others rushed to the sound of conflict and others fell out of pubs but you seem to think that this somehow diminishes the central threat of EDL mobs torching and threatening anything that they perceived as foreign and alien. It's not some great kind of get out explainer that some ocassional journalist who seems at home interpreting Tommy Robinson's plans thinks it is by creating trite groupings and trying to give them equal importance and equivalence.

It wasn't a binary question. It was an option of one type of rioter versus a great diversity of which there are many interpretations, and you gave yours..which I am far closer to than the views of many on here.

I don't think anything diminishes anything. There was a truly horrific element to it. I'm just interested in understanding it and (like us all) trying to make it not happen in future.

I don't think Tommy Robinson has been summoned and I believe the EDL hasn't existed for a decade or so btw..which does rather suggest that the narrative that has been put out is not as accurate as it could be.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Racist, fascists, knuckle dragging, un-educated

It wasn't a binary question. It was an option of one type of rioter versus a great diversity of which there are many interpretations, and you gave yours..which I am far closer to than the views of many on here.

I don't think anything diminishes anything. There was a truly horrific element to it. I'm just interested in understanding it and (like us all) trying to make it not happen in future.

I don't think Tommy Robinson has been summoned and I believe the EDL hasn't existed for a decade or so btw..which does rather suggest that the narrative that has been put out is not as accurate as it could be.

What do you think? Each and every person caught up in the riots came from an identical background and and with the same motivation? Or not? Not a binary question?

I didn't say Robinson had been summoned, I said that the journalist you quoted also recently wrote an apologia Unherd article interpreting his plans as something out of the Progressives playbook.

https://unherd.com/2024/08/tommy-robinson-is-copying-the-progressive-playbook/

I will take your word on recent right wing history.